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    Alcohol, caffeine, smoking...is there a way to make these things, idk, LESS fun, so that I stop abusing them so much? I'm not necessarily addicted to any of them but I still feel a strong pull towards them. I'm actually a little, er...not here right now, if you know what I mean, so any nutrition advice would be appreciated. Hope this makes sense?
    "The mountains are calling and I must go."
    --John Muir


    "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
    --Tommy Caldwell


    ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
    --Hyperlithic

  • #2
    Originally posted by Clymb View Post
    smoking...I'm actually a little, er...not here right now, if you know what I mean,
    Yup...(cough)

    *high five*

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    • #3
      Caffeine? Not a big deal unless you have some serious adrenal issues, and I don't. So tea me.

      Alcohol? I'll have a glass of wine or two on occasion, but I don't like to be a blumbering idiot so I don't get drunk any more. Pour me a glass.

      Smoking? I'm assuming you're not talking ciggarettes (who thinks those are fun?). Puff, puff, pass.

      These along with an occasional trip to outer space with the help of my friends the Lucy, Boomers, and a few select others make my life much more enjoyable. As long as you're not getting ripped/stoned/drunk/buzzed/whatever to a point where it's affecting your ability to do all of the things you want in your life, I say alter your reality. Take a trip. Do something fun. I know Grok sure as hell did!

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      • #4
        what draws you to them? sometimes we want things because we know we shouldn't have them.
        my primal journal:
        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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        • #5
          For me, any alcohol --> poor sleep --> sleep-deprived and depressed --> more likely to binge on sugar and sabotage all the healthy progress I've been making. That's been enough for me to cut back on the alcohol a lot... most of my friends don't drink that often or that much so it hasn't been a problem, but I've had to make a conscious decision to not go out/hang out as much with those who do drink a shit-ton, and have at least told them that I can't drink beer because of gluten.

          Caffeine is something I only drink at work and only on occasion, but I'm trying to make it none now because it --> digestive issues (ya know what I mean) --> flush out the iron and other nutrients I'm trying to absorb to regrow hair.

          I've drastically cut down on how much 'smoking' I do too because I tend to get very paranoid and am more likely to binge on crap --> sabotage all my healthy progress. Also whenever it happens I end up hating the company I'm with.

          If you have long-term health goals that you want to accomplish, think about those and acknowledge that what you're about to do will be a setback for those. Not ALL the time, but definitely at those times when you know that it's unhealthy and you're doing it for the wrong reasons. I guess it's more of a negative feedback mechanism, but hey, it eventually becomes a habit and works. And if you're accomplishing those goals and ingesting these bad things without much of a setback, well, I don't really see any problem with it as long as you don't go overboard.

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          • #6
            Well I'm sober now and not really sure why I wrote caffeine up there, but anyways...

            My drinking affects my life--my boyfriend says it stresses him out and is afraid I'll take it too far. That was my main point, I think...lol. And I smoke a bunch of different things, though I'm not really concerned about the herbal remedies

            And Saoirse--Not sure why I'm drawn to them, I suppose because they give that reality escape? My friends are just concerned because I drink alone, it's not a social thing. I also don't get hangovers or any ill effects, so that makes it easier to do often.
            "The mountains are calling and I must go."
            --John Muir


            "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
            --Tommy Caldwell


            ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
            --Hyperlithic

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dave_o View Post
              Yup...(cough)

              *high five*
              Awesome bro. Totally returning the high five. Lol.
              "The mountains are calling and I must go."
              --John Muir


              "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
              --Tommy Caldwell


              ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
              --Hyperlithic

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Clymb View Post
                My friends are just concerned because I drink alone, it's not a social thing.
                Is it drinking alone in a "well, my BF isn't here but a glass of wine would be nice" sense or a "let me hide in the closet and down this 5th of Jack while no one is watching" way?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                  Is it drinking alone in a "well, my BF isn't here but a glass of wine would be nice" sense or a "let me hide in the closet and down this 5th of Jack while no one is watching" way?
                  Unfortunately it is much closer to the latter--I'm guessing that doesn't fit in with the primal lifestyle? Lol. I should probably stop, I never used to drink and was just fine! Maybe I should just stick with the herbal remedies, like I was saying.
                  "The mountains are calling and I must go."
                  --John Muir


                  "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
                  --Tommy Caldwell


                  ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
                  --Hyperlithic

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                  • #10
                    How much do you drink? Are we talking about a glass of wine, or a similar volume of spirits? I try to avoid altering my reality, so I don't get drunk often and don't smoke. That being said if it's an escape you're looking for there are plenty of alternatives: read a book, go out for a walk, hit the wall, etc. Those will allow you to escape without any potentially destructive behavior, however you should probably figure out why you want to escape and also work on that, otherwise you're just replacing one habit with another and not really addressing the core issue.

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                    • #11
                      http://knol.google.com/k/alcoholism-and-hypoglycemia

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                      • #12
                        That's very interesting--I had actually suspected in the past that I had low blood sugar. It seems to be better eating all my high-fat foods, and sugar really affects me worse than any other substance--alcohol included. I can down a bottle of wine and be fine, but eating a chocolate bar will make me emotional, give me headaches, and make my teeth hurt. Of course, I don't often eat those foods now, but I still drink...
                        "The mountains are calling and I must go."
                        --John Muir


                        "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
                        --Tommy Caldwell


                        ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
                        --Hyperlithic

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AndreaReina View Post
                          How much do you drink? Are we talking about a glass of wine, or a similar volume of spirits? I try to avoid altering my reality, so I don't get drunk often and don't smoke. That being said if it's an escape you're looking for there are plenty of alternatives: read a book, go out for a walk, hit the wall, etc. Those will allow you to escape without any potentially destructive behavior, however you should probably figure out why you want to escape and also work on that, otherwise you're just replacing one habit with another and not really addressing the core issue.
                          You're right about finding alternatives, that's what my boyfriend and friends have been telling me. It's just not my natural instinct to go read or work out or something when I'm stressed, but I suppose I should make an effort to make it be that way. And I just drink however much it takes for me to get f*cked up, really.

                          Thanks for the advice though, I appreciate it. It's been sunny here the last few days so I've been cheering up a bit as well. I get worse with all those things in the winter time, even though I live in Phoenix and don't have much of a winter, lol.
                          "The mountains are calling and I must go."
                          --John Muir


                          "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
                          --Tommy Caldwell


                          ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
                          --Hyperlithic

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                          • #14
                            Clymb...Im sure most of us have at some point in our life been where you are with regard to addictions. We all have our demons. Me personally, I used to imbibe the "erbal remedies" you speak of way, way, way, back in the stone age when I was in High School and College. For me, I realized it made me non-social. So, I quit. Cold Turkey...never went back.

                            Cigarettes...they were the same. But I just had to look at the people in my life who died or were dying from Cancer or other smoking related diseases...and that made me want to quit. Again, cold turkey. Never went back and I have NO desire for one of those nasty, cancer sticks ever again. They make you stink...

                            As for Alcohol....well, I of course liked that too (do we see a pattern here?). And up until started my primal lifestyle I would drink several glasses of wine everyday (it was amazing how I could limit my glass pouring to 3 times but still drink an entire bottle of Merlot!). My wife started commenting on my behavior and in truth....I probably was on my way to alcoholism. I have an alcoholic mother and the condition is hereditary.But since going Paleo/Primal I have stopped drinking everyday. I will occasionally drink a glass or two of wine still when celebrating with friends. But its not a constant anymore. And I NEVER drink alone. DONT DRINK ALONE. That is not a road you ever want to go down...

                            For you I think you are on the right path. Give up everything except Caffiene and you should look and feel A LOT more Healthy & Happy!
                            If you can just get your....mind together....then come on across to me.....
                            James Marshall (Jimi)Hendrix

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nachobrawler View Post
                              Clymb...Im sure most of us have at some point in our life been where you are with regard to addictions. We all have our demons. Me personally, I used to imbibe the "erbal remedies" you speak of way, way, way, back in the stone age when I was in High School and College. For me, I realized it made me non-social. So, I quit. Cold Turkey...never went back.

                              Cigarettes...they were the same. But I just had to look at the people in my life who died or were dying from Cancer or other smoking related diseases...and that made me want to quit. Again, cold turkey. Never went back and I have NO desire for one of those nasty, cancer sticks ever again. They make you stink...

                              As for Alcohol....well, I of course liked that too (do we see a pattern here?). And up until started my primal lifestyle I would drink several glasses of wine everyday (it was amazing how I could limit my glass pouring to 3 times but still drink an entire bottle of Merlot!). My wife started commenting on my behavior and in truth....I probably was on my way to alcoholism. I have an alcoholic mother and the condition is hereditary.But since going Paleo/Primal I have stopped drinking everyday. I will occasionally drink a glass or two of wine still when celebrating with friends. But its not a constant anymore. And I NEVER drink alone. DONT DRINK ALONE. That is not a road you ever want to go down...

                              For you I think you are on the right path. Give up everything except Caffiene and you should look and feel A LOT more Healthy & Happy!
                              This is a great post, thanks!

                              And those are all the things I like too, btw. It's really that easy to quit when all your friends do it? It may seem ironic, but a lot of us climbers drink and smoke a ton, lol. My boyfriend smokes as well and that's why he really doesn't like that I do it now...he said the same thing, to NEVER drink alone.

                              Congrats on giving up all of that, that's really awesome
                              "The mountains are calling and I must go."
                              --John Muir


                              "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
                              --Tommy Caldwell


                              ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
                              --Hyperlithic

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