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    So, tonight at dinner I was eating with a friend of mine and she asked if I am on a low carb diet. I had some steamed broccoli with some chicken breast, so I responded with no I am on a paleo diet. She asked what it was and I explained all I knew about it. She then told me it was wrong and that we are not meant to eat meat products, and that we cannot digest them properly. Also the animal slaughter farms are unhealthy and carry diseases ( I agreed, but on a college students budget I dont have much of a choice), to which I responded, "What about all of those pesticides and preservatives on your apple to keep it going rotten?" 1-0 Me!! haha Anyway we just kind of agreed to disagree... Anyone want to educate me a little more so I am more prepared in case an argument like that arises again?

  • #2
    By the way she is Vegan.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dam73609 View Post
      She then told me it was wrong and that we are not meant to eat meat products, and that we cannot digest them properly.
      At that point I would have cried and slammed my face into the table...

      Or offered to compare poops later on.

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      • #4
        The can't digest meat properly argument is pure bullshit. Ask them to find non-vegan references. Also tell them that you shit a lot less on primal so must be digesting what you're eating.

        BTW, steamed broccoli and chicken breast? Yuck. Where's the fat?
        Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

        Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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        • #5
          I ate the skin. Not good?

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          • #6
            I recommend you both read the book Primal Body - Primal Mind, and then have dinner again!

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            • #7
              Interesting. So our guts aren't designed to digest meat?

              http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat...nd-vegetables/

              Some raw truth:
              http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/0...gan-diets.html

              Those are two awesome articles everyone should read.

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              • #8
                don't argue with vegans, you can't win. educate if they seeks information once their skin falls off.
                here is a cool link with some good info on the whole "we don't digest meat" bullshit.

                http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat...nd-vegetables/

                she probably also thinks cows are suppose to eat grain and we could feed the whole world if we didnt feed so many cows.
                No, cows are meant to eat grass!!! *cave-growl*

                iv decided i cant date vegans or vegetarians.
                Last edited by Vozz; 02-15-2011, 07:19 PM.
                We need to have a global discussion about the epidemic of donut murder

                Starting Weight: 238 lb
                Current Weight: 224 lb
                Goal: 190-200 lb
                Height: 6'-0"
                Age: 27

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                • #9
                  Its funny to me that the entire argument from the Vegan point of view is that we cannot digest meat properly.And in fact the truth is exactly the opposite!

                  Tell the Vegan...we couldnt have this wonderfully huge brain that we ALL posess (although some of us use it more than others...Vegan!) without our bodies adapting to the digestion of meat. Lets look at the apes to compare. Our huge brain requires a ton of energy. And since we are approximately the same size and shape as Chimps and Orangutans(or any other ape you like) one would expect to see very similar body sizes. However, our brain IS HUGE in comparison to the apes brains. And you know what else? Apes stomachs our enormous compared to ours. They are distended and such because they are primarily vegetarians and require a lot of stomach and a lot of time...as well as energy...to digest their food.
                  Our stomachs are flat and small in comparison. And we have a huge brain that requires a lot of energy to operate. Now, put 2+2 together and get 4. How did we as a species enable the HUGE brain that we evolved that requires a ton of energy to operate? We enabled a way to cut energy use somewhere else in our systems to allow for our brains use (we only have so much energy available for the entire system). Where was that? OUR DIGESTION SYSTEM. What was that adaptation that allowed our digestive system to become smaller (i.e. not like a vegetarian apes)? WE BEGAN EATING MEAT. Meat is loaded with EVERYTHING our bodies needed to survive, adapt and thrive. The rest is history. And it has been studied and documented. Look it up online.....
                  If you can just get your....mind together....then come on across to me.....
                  James Marshall (Jimi)Hendrix

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                  • #10
                    Wow, if only I knew that 3 hours ago haha she would have eaten my chicken!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dam73609 View Post
                      Wow, if only I knew that 3 hours ago haha she would have eaten my chicken!!
                      Euphemism?

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                      • #12
                        dam73609....here is the link to the article (written by Michael Eades, MD) and original paper on the subject-if you want an actual scientific source for your argument with "the Vegan".

                        http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/l...rians-part-ii/

                        Gotta go. Im hungry. My bigger than an ape's brain is telling my flatter than an ape's stomach I need to go eat some meat (that I supposedly cant digest).
                        If you can just get your....mind together....then come on across to me.....
                        James Marshall (Jimi)Hendrix

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alan M View Post
                          Interesting. So our guts aren't designed to digest meat?

                          http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat...nd-vegetables/

                          Those are two awesome articles everyone should read.
                          Best quote ever:
                          "You can demonstrate the purpose and limits of human digestion with a simple experiment: eat a steak with some whole corn kernels, and see what comes out the other end. It won’t be the steak."

                          Totally new sig!
                          "You can demonstrate the purpose and limits of human digestion with a simple experiment: eat a steak with some whole corn kernels, and see what comes out the other end. It won’t be the steak."
                          -J.Stanton

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                          • #14
                            I think it's silly to berate vegans. They have valid points concerning treatment of animals, use of animals, and an animals right to live. It's not the optimal diet -- but vegan / vegetarian beats an SAD in most respects... or at least a vegan diet does.

                            Personally, I like Mark's approach. Their points are valid and worth considering, I just don't follow them. That said, I don't write them off, either.

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                            • #15
                              You have a point not to write people off, but, some vegans are borderline irrational with their beliefs. For some it is their religion...and that's just wrong,lol.

                              From what I have read from "objective" sources, if people eat very carefully they can exist on a vegan diet but for most people, long term, I have come to the conclusion it is a harmful diet. For most people getting the nutrients they need to thrive just doesn't work long term. I was juicing and eating carbs and veggies for a while to see how it would work for me...I am back eating meat and veggies. Mark's book and Robb Wolf's book hooked me. BTW, Robb was once a vegetarian, said it was a big mistake.
                              Last edited by Moochy; 02-16-2011, 12:31 AM.
                              Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
                              READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

                              Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food.” Anthony Bourdain

                              and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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