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    I've been primal for about a week and a half with only one day when I ate grains. I am hungry all the time!! Is this normal?? I was eating about 110g fat, 20g carb, 80g protein averaging about 1,400 calories and felt full. Now I'm averaging about 130g fat, 30g carb, 100g protein, 1,800 calories and very hungry. I'm eating a lot of eggs, bacon, beef, salmon, ground turkey, coconut oil, spinach, cauliflower, carrots, mushrooms, kale and some dark chocolate.... those are pretty much the usuals. I've been walking between 3-4 hours each week with two weight lifting sessions. I weigh about 136. Is this all part of transitioning from CW to primal? If so, should I just keep eating? More fat maybe?

  • #2
    Eat more.

    Probably more fat , possibly more protein

    Quite frankly, while you are going through transition to lowered carbohydrates, if you are hungry eat. Quit counting calories. Eat until you are satisfied. When you are hungry try a bit of fat and see if that satiates you (often if my meal was a bit low a bit of butter and a glass of water would do the trick). If it doesnt eat again. Until you are completely through carb withdrawal your hunger may be magnified. Eat.

    For me dairy was satiating. butter, greek yogurt and sour cream got me through the first 2 weeks. Except for butter I havent had the urge for them since. (shame, I just loaded up on yogurt and sour cream).
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    • #3
      Two things jump out at me here.

      You've only been primal for 10 days and you are already going for low-carb ketosis? I think that's too much too soon. Add more carbs for awhile - several weeks - and shoot for the 100-150g/day range. That gives room for dairy and fruit, which will help your transition.

      Also, I have to wonder if you are truly hungry, or if that's appetite talking. I craved carbs big time when I first went primal, and it wasn't cuz I wasn't getting enough to eat. I just missed the sugar hit. It's a physical and psychological withdrawal and it is a powerful thing. I second runnergal's advice to try whole fat dairy: greek yogurt with berries and a bit of stevia, heavy whipping cream whipped up with some cocoa powder and stevia, sugar free hot cocoa with cream, etc. Also, you might try making Primal Energy bars (search the blog for the recipe).
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      • #4
        I'm not eating dairy, because I never feel too good when I eat it and get pretty bloated. I can add more fat/protein. I feel every day I have been adding more.

        bokbadok: I agree with you that it is also psychological. Fortunately, before going primal I wasn't too big of a carb eater. Most of my carbs came from fruit and vegetables. However, by adding more fat/protein I do want to know it's because I'm actually hungry and not craving carbs or something else. How did you get through this stage? How long did it last?

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        • #5
          You might try a transitional food like these primal nut bars recipe that I found here. They have really helped me and lots of folks I've been converting.
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          • #6
            I just BARELY got out of this stage, and I have been doing this since Nov/Dec (full-on, I made a very slow transition starting in August). I was still having sugar in my coffee & tea, to an amount I had never put in.. just to get the sweets. That coupled with an apple & a few bowls of berries a night + sunflower butter (with added sugar, sigggh) - my hunger was out of control. I was too afraid to eat more because it defies all CW, but finally after complaining for a few weeks, I listened on here and cut out sugar & only do berries (although I had a bannna when things got desperate!). PS, splenda/stevia doesn't cut it.. cut those out too (it took me a long time to heed this..). Oh & I limited nuts during that period, but I had to eat a LOT of fat and cheese (parmesan) to get me through the cravings (and I forgot about fruit - though a lot of people say fruit fuels their sugar cravings, by the end of it, I just didn't have fruit cravings anymore).
            Have you tried kefir or goat's/sheep milks and cheeses? They tend to be much easier on the stomach..

            It took me about 3-4 days - luckily no temptation in sight. At the beginning of it, cranberries were so tart I wanted to add splenda, by the end they were sweet. Today I ate onions and they were insanely sweet. No more crazy cravings AT ALL! And I can now drink a double shot of espresso w/o sugar/stevia, which is great.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MyBodyMyTemple View Post
              Now I'm averaging about 130g fat, 30g carb, 100g protein, 1,800 calories and very hungry. I'm eating a lot of eggs, bacon, beef, salmon, ground turkey, coconut oil, spinach, cauliflower, carrots, mushrooms, kale and some dark chocolate....
              If you're coming in around 1800 calories, you're not eating a lot. On days when I eat a lot, I will come in around 3500 calories.

              That being said, if you're hungry, your body is trying to tell you to eat... so eat!
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              • #8
                I am going to quote myself from your thread last week:

                I personally would forget the numbers for now and just eat to satiety. Add plenty of meat, eggs, cook with good fats (coconut oil, butter etc) and round it out with veggies, a few nuts, berries, maybe some dark choc (my favourite treat right now is a bowl of berries with a sprinkling of flaked almonds, a square of dark choc broken over and heavy cream. Delicious and so satisfying!). If you aren't getting the results you want in a month or so when you have had chance to adjust fully, then take a closer look at the numbers?

                Give your body chance to get used to being well nourished and give yourself chance to listen to what your body wants before you start worrying about the numbers and tweaking things.
                Forget the numbers, forget the scale, forget the calories. Just eat!

                Make primal food choices when you are hungry.
                Eat primal food until you are full.
                Wait until you are hungry again and repeat.

                If you are craving sweets/carbs, try eating some fat...a sliver of butter, some coconut milk or oil, a mug of tea with heavy cream, whipped cream with a few berries...

                It is early days. Let your body adjust and stop focusing on the numbers. Numbers will stress you out (which is counter productive) and they don't tell the full story anyway.

                You're doing fine, just relax and keep living primally
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                • #9
                  I was really hungry at the beginning, I assume my body was looking for the carbs it suddenly wasn't getting. I ate a meal every 4 hours to get me through. I agree that the early days are not the time to be shooting for very low carb or restricting intake.
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                  • #10
                    Like some other people mentioned, artificial sweeteners and other sweeteners will keep you hungry even if you are eating enough fat or calories. That was my big downfall and I am just seeing that now. I wish I would have cut that crap years ago. So stupid. Stupid marketing, making me think it was ok :P

                    I was very hungry for a few weeks when transitioning from full on carb eating to primal. Very hungry and very snacky, but I stuck to it and in about a month my appetite got under control and the loss of the hungries was amazing!! It was truely a growling stomach hunger too.. not just psychological.

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                    • #11
                      I was eating about 110g fat, 20g carb, 80g protein averaging about 1,400 calories and felt full.
                      (you indicate this is your pre-primal diet)

                      Now I'm averaging about 130g fat, 30g carb, 100g protein, 1,800 calories and very hungry.
                      (and now this is your primal diet?)

                      If so, there's really not been that much change in the amount of carbs, in fact you've gone up. Maybe an adjustment to that...though 20-30 grams is pretty low no matter how you sliced it. You couldn't possibly have been eating many grains and stayed at 20g of carbs (TOTAL carbs)....are there any other new foods in your diet or foods that you've eliminated?

                      Sometimes just making a concerted change in diet has a person thinking more about food...and the more you think about it the more you want it...so you think you're hungry but it's not a true hunger. My husband just gave up sodas and he's "hungry" all the time...not really, he's just fixated on not being able to drink soda and filling the void with doing something else - eating.
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                      • #12
                        kennelmom:

                        The first list was when I first went primal. I wasn't hungry, so I didn't need to eat much. Before primal I don't know what my carb count was but it was low. I got most of my carbs from fruit and vegetables. The week before I ate a lot of grains but before that I rarely ate them

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                        • #13
                          I think not counting calories,etc. may help. The reason I was doing it was to make sure I was getting enough especially in the beginning I wasn't eating too much. Maybe now that I know I am eating enough fat/protein I should lay off the fitday! Fortunately, I have NEVER been one for artificial sweetners. I never thought they were good for the body. My only real sweet before going primal has been chocolate and the occasional candy or ice cream. Lately I have been craving sweets though! Maybe I should cut out the chocolate for a while until the cravings pass??? Also, I did stop eating fruit because I found it did trigger sugar cravings.

                          Alright, what I gather... stop counting/weighing, eating until hungry, actual identify if I'm hungry vs having cravings. And how about chocolate? Give up it up until sugar cravings stop? Also, I haven't been eating whipping cream (however it sounds amazing) because I gave up dairy. Dairy doesn't seem to agree with my stomach. Any replacements??

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                          • #14
                            A lot of people replace dairy with coconut products - specifically coconut milk, but it really depends on how you are using it. Like you couldn't use coconut flakes in place of cheese or something Personally, I just cut it out all together, its sometimes easier to cut then to replace.. you know? I found that black coffee is tolerable, that I can do without cheese on a salad if I use avocado instead. For fat I've been eating coconut meat - from the fresh coconut.. where for a snack I would have had a cheese stick.

                            I can't eat fruit either.. it makes me even more hungry than I was to begin with! What's up with that? I have a coworker who snacks on fruit constantly and is full, and thin .. I'm jealous :P

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MyBodyMyTemple View Post
                              kennelmom:

                              The first list was when I first went primal. I wasn't hungry, so I didn't need to eat much. Before primal I don't know what my carb count was but it was low. I got most of my carbs from fruit and vegetables. The week before I ate a lot of grains but before that I rarely ate them
                              Ah. Well, in that case I'd say it's only been a week and a half...keep sticking it out and see if it gets better.

                              I normally eat low carb but spent a week on a cruise downing fruity island drinks like my life depended on it. This week, it's back to real life and after only a week of eating a lot of sugar I'm wanting to nibble nibble nibble the day away. So, I'm eating more but making sure it's primal food and keeping it looooooow carb. I'm sure I'll be back to my normal self in a few more days. Sugar/carbs are a hard habit to break, and it comes back with a vengeance for some folks.
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