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  • #16
    Why would you want to debate a vegan, that approach to nutrition is almost a religion...don't go there. Vegans pick and choose their info: "I WANT to believe" comes to mind. Enjoy being an omnivore and leave the magical thinking to the plant eaters.
    Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
    READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

    Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food. Anthony Bourdain

    and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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    • #17
      You can't debate a religion such as veganism. Unless your friend starts having health issues - the mind and ears are closed.
      Also, the funny thing is that your friend may be having some kind of health issue now that hasn't been connected to the vegan diet. So many vegans think that any health issues they may be having cannot be related to their vegan diet. They think instead the health issue would probably have been worse without the vegan diet.
      Last edited by Sue; 01-23-2011, 11:19 PM.

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      • #18
        yeah,,, it doesn't sound like your friend is very open to other points of view.
        We need to have a global discussion about the epidemic of donut murder

        Starting Weight: 238 lb
        Current Weight: 224 lb
        Goal: 190-200 lb
        Height: 6'-0"
        Age: 27

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        • #19
          Your friend seems to have an answer to everything but no real science. I would like to see the SCIENCE behind their assertion that meat consumption causes diabetes *insert laughter here*. Not just a vague "google it" response - real studies.
          Their statement that "I have complete faith that it is the way of eating that would definitely benefit the most people, animals, and our planet" leads me to think they are of the vegan = religion mindset. Might as well hit your head against a brick wall for an hour instead

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          • #20
            Tell him to read nutrition and physical degeneration and then ask him if he can honestly say that animal foods will give you poor health.

            Also look into the expensive tissue hypothesis and tell him correlation doesn't equal causation!!!!!
            "My mom made two dishes: Take it or Leave it." -- Stephen Wright, comedian

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            • #21
              Originally posted by kiwineil View Post
              debating a vegan from a primal perspective is like trying to teach a pig to foxtrot .. frustrating for the teacher and pointless for the pig .. more better you just move on
              Yep. Veganism is a religion, don't even bother.

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              • #22
                Tell her there's enough people trying to limit the suffering of animals, so you're trying to be different by limiting the suffering of plants and eating a mostly animal diet. Let her know her conformist ways are boring you.
                I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                • #23
                  I think this describes any vegan that I've been "debating" with:

                  I was on the side of righteousness, and like any fundamentalist, I could only stay there by avoiding information. -- Lierre Kieth

                  My advice - walk away. Let them "win", more meat for us.
                  Sometimes you need to be told the truth in order to be able to see it.

                  My journal

                  I see grain people...

                  Exist in shadow, drifting away.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                    Tell her there's enough people trying to limit the suffering of animals, so you're trying to be different by limiting the suffering of plants and eating a mostly animal diet. Let her know her conformist ways are boring you.
                    +1 that is a great answer

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                    • #25
                      Thanks, everyone. Yes, I believe I will walk away. Bow out gracefully. But my answer to one of his militant vegan friends on the post:


                      And she lists her first name as "Sara-Vegan", so I know what to expect before I even read her post:

                      "when you're eating death its not healthy. Meat rotting in your colon and clogging up your arteries and causing environmental damage and making innocent beings suffer cannot be excused. Humans are herbivores. Perhaps people who make up excuses as to why they can't eat the perfect diet for a human and who finds any study to back them up has issues other than what they're eating. Just sayin' no one can convince me that they can't be healthy and happy eating a well planned out vegan diet. It's not possible. They simply didn't try hard enough. Some people willvmake excuses for why they have to smoke pot or drink alcohol, for their health, I don't believe them either."

                      My response-"Sara, you really need to stop eating 30 bananas a day!"

                      Whatever....I am done with that whole debate. Thank you guys so much for your support. When someone starts talking about meat clogging up my colon and that humans are herbivores, it's not worth the extra points my blood pressure rises to keep typing.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Lynnsey View Post
                        Humans are herbivores. *snipped by me*

                        My response-"Sara, you really need to stop eating 30 bananas a day!"
                        You are a far nicer person than I am. I just want to channel Dan Akroyd "Sara you ignorant sl...."

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                        • #27
                          Hmmm, maybe challenge the vegan one year from now to a fitness and health challenge! Go to the doctor and get every test under the sun and compare notes! Then challenge them to a fitness test... THEY choose the event!

                          Post a gorgeous pic of yourself on FaceBook and call yourself Primal Princess. On your Wall post Primal links and videos. If anyone debates, counter with another link. DON'T DEBATE THEM YOURSELF! Leave it to "The Experts".

                          Veganism IS like a religion. They have to get nasty to explain why they are (still) sick and fat. I did Veganism last year and was the heaviest I've ever been! Joint pain was no fun, either. No wonder I was so cranky!

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                          • #28
                            In my experience, vegans/vegetarians are much more likely to pay attention to other (former) vegans/vegetarians, so I would link your friend to this eye-opening post:

                            http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/

                            "Many of you know that I have recently been struggling for the first time in my life with health problems. When I discovered that my problems were a direct result of my vegan diet I was devastated. 2 months ago, after learning the hard way that not everyone is capable of maintaining their health as a vegan, I made one of the most difficult decisions of my life and gave up veganism and returned to eating an omnivorous diet. My health immediately returned. ... "
                            Everything in moderation, including moderation.

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                            • #29
                              I wonder if thier premise being that eatting "Death" is unhealthy, then how do they justify plans consuming compost and decomposing animal bits?

                              Also all those Lions must be upset they are unhealthy living on "Death".
                              If your food is fast, maybe you should fast.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jspradley View Post
                                Yep. Veganism is a religion, don't even bother.
                                Atheist then. Athiest now.

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