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    I've "heard" that sugar free sweeteners and desserts (like the ice cream bars) can still spike insulin... I actually read something about cyclists just swishing a glucose water around in their mouths and spitting it out because that was enough to cause an insulin spike.

    My Dad has diabetes but he's convinced that eating 3 sugar free ice cream bars a day is fine, even though his blood sugar is sky high.

    Any sources/info are appreciated.

  • #2
    Sugar free does not mean low carb. Some SF ice creams contain as many grams of carbs as the sugared sort. Just check the carbohydrate content on the label.

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    • #3
      I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but anyone who eats 3 ice cream bars a day is just using the label "sugar-free" to rationalize unthinking hedonism. Any intelligent adult knows that eating 3 ice cream bars per day is unhealthy, regardless of what hype is on the label, so I doubt this is something that will be helped by showing him "proof" that they are unhealthy. It's like people who smoke; most of them know damn well that cigarettes are bad for them, but they choose to smoke anyway.

      If you want articles anyway, try doing a Google Scholar search on "non nutritive sweeteners" and "diabetes" or "insulin."

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      • #4
        Depending on which bars it is sugar free often means no sugar added, so it can still have lots of sugar from the dairy. If his sugar is sky high he should look at his entire diet, and cut down on total carbs.

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        • #5
          I make my own with coconut milk and vanilla extract or cocoa powder. I like it as is but you can add stevia. That packaged stuff is no good...especially for a diabetic.
          Brad

          late onset type1 diabetic 4-27-10 @ age 30

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          • #6
            Some ice cream even contains wheat and other starches.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Melantha View Post
              I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but anyone who eats 3 ice cream bars a day is just using the label "sugar-free" to rationalize unthinking hedonism. Any intelligent adult knows that eating 3 ice cream bars per day is unhealthy, regardless of what hype is on the label, so I doubt this is something that will be helped by showing him "proof" that they are unhealthy. It's like people who smoke; most of them know damn well that cigarettes are bad for them, but they choose to smoke anyway.

              If you want articles anyway, try doing a Google Scholar search on "non nutritive sweeteners" and "diabetes" or "insulin."
              Harsh? No, more like really fu*king insulting. I asked for info from the Primal community regarding insulin response and "sugar free" desserts - I didn't ask for your opinion as to my father's level of intelligence. This is in NO WAY similar to smoking, and I question your intelligence considering you compared the two. Don't ever respond to one of my posts again.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanC View Post
                Depending on which bars it is sugar free often means no sugar added, so it can still have lots of sugar from the dairy. If his sugar is sky high he should look at his entire diet, and cut down on total carbs.
                Good point. His diet is crappy and needs an overhaul, but I'm starting with the ice cream

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                • #9
                  It isn't insulting. Tell him that eating any processed food 3 times a day is not good in any way shape or form.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by barryman9000 View Post
                    I didn't ask for your opinion as to my father's level of intelligence.
                    Wow, I want to apologize for not being clear. I was in no way implying that your father is not intelligent. I was actually trying to say that he IS an intelligent person and somewhere inside he KNOWS that eating 3 ice creams per day is not healthy. I know you asked me not to respond to one of your posts, but I realize that I put that poorly and implied something that I did not mean to imply, and for that I apologize.

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                    • #11
                      Sorry, but I have to agree with Melantha. I'm a diabetic myself. Using sugar free as an excuse to snarf down endless indulgences is just blatant rationalizing. He has to genuinely want to improve his life in order to do away with diabetes. Set a good example for him, and when he is ready, he'll come looking for the answers.
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                      • #12
                        Before PB and trying to be low-carbish I would eat sugar-free Hostess cupcakes. Before being LC I used to eat the real things. Man those were good..

                        On Atkins I ate a ton of sugar -free crap and never stopped losing weight.
                        Last edited by AnneArchy; 01-19-2011, 12:54 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I'm sorry that I can't give you the references, but if you Google, you might get some because I've read about a lot of studies that indicate that for some people sugar and artificial sweeteners work exactly the same way in the body.

                          This is true for me because although I'm not diabetic, I get instant 'hunger' from anything sweetened, and I abandoned all artificial sweeteners some time ago because of this.

                          However, the ice cream is a double problem. As has been mentioned, the sugar-free is really "no sugar added" because dairy itself has tons of sugar. In fact, when I eliminated diary, my fasting blood glucose lowered, and my endo commented, "It's probably because you're no longer getting that sugar from dairy."

                          If you want to work on your father's diet, I'd suggest you check out Dr. Richard Bernstein, The Diabetes Solution. You don't need the book because he has great info on his website. What I like is that he explains the science behind how we respond to certain foods, and I find that really helpful because I eat like a diabetic to avoid becoming one (it's rampant among my siblings). You might get some info from Dr. B that would help you deal with your father.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                            Sorry, but I have to agree with Melantha. I'm a diabetic myself. Using sugar free as an excuse to snarf down endless indulgences is just blatant rationalizing. He has to genuinely want to improve his life in order to do away with diabetes. Set a good example for him, and when he is ready, he'll come looking for the answers.
                            Agree all you want, but insulting his intelligence based on a three sentence post looking for articles about a potential insulin response caused by sugar free sweeteners is completely unacceptable.

                            Should we really assume that just because a person is making a dietary mistake they don't want to improve their health? How many of us switched from eating processed grains to "heart healthy whole grains," or ate low-fat thinking it was going to make us healthier? Wanting to improve your life requires you to understand what it is that you're eating - something most people in this country (U.S.) don't understand. He knows sugar causes diabetes, so obviously foods labeled "sugar free" are going to look appealing. This isn't something that's rare; notice the above post from AnneArchy (thanks for being candid by the way, Anne)?

                            So with some constructive help - hopefully from people on this board who have helped in the past - I'll be able to present him with some real evidence and help him gain a better understanding of basic nutrition - which he obviously doesn't currently have.

                            Once again, his diet is crap but I'm starting with the sugar free ice cream.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by emmie View Post
                              I'm sorry that I can't give you the references, but if you Google, you might get some because I've read about a lot of studies that indicate that for some people sugar and artificial sweeteners work exactly the same way in the body.
                              Thanks emmie. I was just hoping there were some PB members who had a HUGE collection of bookmarks to studies and articles like I do. Thus begins my online search.

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