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    My dad's lived his whole life eating bread and other starchy foods, and he acts like he HAS to have it at least once a day. I just watched him this morning look through the entire fridge and refrigerator and not find a single thing that he could eat ( there were plenty of fruits and veggies, nuts etc). He then proceeded to the cupboard and had some crackers

    He complains that he doesn't feel full after a "primal meal". I just think that he just needs his daily dose of junk food to satisfy his needs.

    Are there any ways to provide foods that will actually make him feel full quick that are also primal/semi primal? This is also for myself, as I find myself snacking on nuts/fruits throughout the day to keep myself satiated. I doubt that he's going to go for any of the "eat fat" kind of thing, fyi.
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  • #2
    Snacking on nuts and fruits all day isn't a whole lot better than eating crackers. Maybe dad should have some potatoes fried in healthy fat (butter, bacon grease, etc.) for breakfast. With some bacon and eggs.
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    • #3
      I remember that. When I was hungry (ie once or twice every afternoon), fruit, nuts, cheese or raw vegetables weren't 'food' at all - I could eat them and still feel just as hollow. It had to be biscuits or muesli - something with grains. If I tried eating cheese instead, I'd just be back in the kitchen 5 minutes later getting the muesli. (Whole grain, of course - ever so healthy.)

      Then I went Primal. If I got hungry between meals, I ate vegetables and nuts, or tinned fish, or made almond pancakes with Greek yoghourt and fruit, and that all turned out to be food after all. Nowadays, I almost never get hungry between meals.

      However... I really doubt this transformation would've happened without the complete dietary change. Changing meals and letting snacks sort themselves out over time seems more likely to work than searching for filling snacks.

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      • #4
        Sounds like it could just be a bad habit type thing, rather than actually not feeling full. To break old habits, you need to form new ones. Try getting him in the habit of going for a walk after eating or anything that gets him out of the kitchen and his mind off the food.
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        • #5
          2 things that make a meal feel like *real* food to me. a cut up avocado with my meat and a glass of milk. it takes awhile. I never search the house anymore for grainy things and don't miss them, but it took awhile.

          I'm trying to lose weight, so I can't have too much dairy and nuts, but if I really *need* something that feels *foody* , then I make a bowl of frozen berries, mixed with cream or yogurt, with dried cocnut and chopped nuts. I dice up a half frozen banana if I want it sweet. It *feels* like a bowl of cereal and has crunch and sweet.

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          • #6
            also, when I'm having that "nothing is hitting the spot" kind of feeling, I know I'm not really hungry, but eating for a different reason. When I'm truly hungry (i've done some IF) then a plate of meat and veggies looks wonderful and is very satisfying.

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            • #7
              I think the key is going to be in him *wanting* to change. Does he?

              If so, maybe keep (primal) tuna salad, cold chicken, HB eggs, etc in the fridge. He can eat all of those he wants. But no grain/sugar snacks.

              He can do it if he really wants to.
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              • #8
                Whole 9 Life has a great blog post about "Dessert Demons" that talks a little bit about the mental side to feeling "full." It could be that, since he's so addicted to grains/sugar/junk, that he feels the need to have that, or else his body doesn't feel satisfied, and he's interpreting that as not being full. Just to make sure, he might try calculating his theoretical calorie needs based on weight, height, and activity level and then log his food for a week or so. It might be that when he makes "primal meals," he's not getting enough calories. Plenty of people think "Paleo= meat + veggies" and forget about fat. If I really ate only meat and veggies, there's no way I'd get enough calories without making myself feel sick from gorging; I need to consciously add fat to my meals, in the form of butter or animal fat (I'm almost to the bottom of my jar of duck fat ) or coconut or, sometimes, olive oil, nuts, or avocado. I use calorie-counting software to track and plan my meals to make sure I'm getting enough calories, not to try to cut calories.

                One thing that might help the OP's dad is to ask him, when he does his rummaging, "Do you NEED food or do you WANT food right now?" and then remind him that if he NEEDS food, then he should be willing to eat anything, whereas if he looks at stuff and decides that's not what he wants, then he must not really NEED the food. If he decides that, yes, he's truly hungry, then he can eat a carrot or a boiled egg or a knob of butter or something.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hedonist View Post
                  Snacking on nuts and fruits all day isn't a whole lot better than eating crackers.
                  Really? Crackers: no redeeming value at all. Nuts/fruits: boatloads of stuff our bodies actually need.

                  I agree that if the goal is kicking cravings or losing weight, cutting both out is useful, but eating nuts and fruits is WAY better overall than snacking on crackers. Seems a shame to demonize real food.

                  In terms of snacky things that got me through the early craving stage: Batty's Blue Butter Balls.....http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...hread.php?8256
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                  • #10
                    I really doubted those who said IF has helped with this, as it's natural to stuff yourself when you feel you should be hungry. Even eating at the 'end' of a fast can be a somewhat arbitrary time.

                    The difference is, you stay full this way!

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                    • #11
                      Sounds like your dad is confusing "full" with "carby-food-coma" and/or "stuffed." It takes time to get used to "full" not meaning "oh god I have to unbutton my pants and I have trouble breathing."
                      Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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                      • #12
                        I came to realize that the feeling I used to think of as 'full', was actually 'bloated'. I never feel stuffed on primal foods the way I would after a bowl of pasta, and at first I took that to mean that primal meals weren't as filling, but when I'm hungry 2 hours after the pasta and not after a primal meal - that showed me which one was more satisfying.

                        Eventually I realized snacking was doing nothing for me, and that I was in the habit of snacking and wasn't truly hungry. However I was so used to being hungry a few hours after a meal, that I just felt like I should be eating at those times. And since I didn't feel 'full' aka 'bloated' I didn't recognize that I wasn't actually hungry. The longer I was on primal though, the more I realized that even though I didn't feel full, I didn't feel hungry either. The trick was learning to listen to my body and recognize what true hunger feels like.

                        Now I can't stand the bloated 'ick' feeling that I get from bread/pasta on the few times I've indulged. But it takes time and you have to recognize how your hunger signals are changing. Good luck with your father. I find that with my dad it's best to plant the seed and then back off while he thinks about it. In the meantime - keep living your own primal journey and be the best example of a life lived well that you can be!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by echoyjeff222 View Post
                          My dad's lived his whole life eating bread and other starchy foods, and he acts like he HAS to have it at least once a day. I just watched him this morning look through the entire fridge and refrigerator and not find a single thing that he could eat ( there were plenty of fruits and veggies, nuts etc). He then proceeded to the cupboard and had some crackers

                          He complains that he doesn't feel full after a "primal meal". I just think that he just needs his daily dose of junk food to satisfy his needs.

                          Are there any ways to provide foods that will actually make him feel full quick that are also primal/semi primal? This is also for myself, as I find myself snacking on nuts/fruits throughout the day to keep myself satiated. I doubt that he's going to go for any of the "eat fat" kind of thing, fyi.
                          He probably doesn't feel full after a primal meal, because his body is so used to combatting blood sugar w/insulin, and so its responding as usual, pumping out insulin. And if there are no carbs to store, low blood sugar=hunger.

                          There's a difference between feeling full, ie, I have stuffed enough food in to fill the space, and feeling nourished...which is that feeling you get when you eat something delicious and its hitting all the primal "YUM" detectors that tell you you're getting the fat-soluble vitamins, fatty acids, protein, and deliciousness, that you need. Give it time and stick with it.

                          I think that's what the carb flu is all about, quitting those carbs cold turkey and letting the insulin overreaction settle down over a day or two. That's my theory, anyways.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fitmom View Post
                            There's a difference between feeling full, ie, I have stuffed enough food in to fill the space, and feeling nourished...which is that feeling you get when you eat something delicious and its hitting all the primal "YUM" detectors that tell you you're getting the fat-soluble vitamins, fatty acids, protein, and deliciousness, that you need.
                            PERFECTLY said. I will make this distinction to people from here on out.
                            Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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                            • #15
                              I also think that he may be responding to "head hunger" rather than a physical need for food. As another poster mentioned, he has to want this WOE because it is not easy to change behaviors--and eliminating grains and starches is a big change for many people.

                              Scientists say that it takes 2 weeks to change our physiological response--i.e., body no longer craves carbs--so perhaps you need to talk to your father about a 2-week 'experiment' in getting full on primal foods. If he goes VLC for 2 weeks (20g or fewer), I guarantee that he'll feel 'full' after a meal because of the appetite suppression involved. This may help him get over his dependence on grains.

                              But he might experience a little discomfort during those 2 weeks--again, he has to want this. You can't want it for him.

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