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    Dear Paleo People,

    I would like to start paleo first off I am bbing and powerlifting and I do kettles and martial arts.

    I need glycogen

    My favourite carb source oats are out of the window.

    I will be still using dairy like yoghurt, milk and cottage cheese as far as I understand it is more or less in line with Paleo lifestyle although references are pretty sketchy.

    I can eat tubers and fruits for carbs as much as I desire though right?

    Could you post simple samples of what a diet pow meal etc would look like I usually train weights cardio interval and weights martial arts sometimes 2 a day
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  • #2
    I only do powerlifting with once a week conditioning (sprints - preferable barefoot hill) I train in a fasted state - 12 weeks of doing so should dramatically increase glycogen storage capacity
    anyway PWO:
    I like an apple and a pear washed down with about 40-50G protein powder mixed with about 16 oz almond milk (I'm lactose intolerant)
    I also loosen up a bit on squat and deadlift days and have potatoes or maybe rice later in the day (evil me)
    Last edited by Rud3d0g; 01-16-2011, 09:44 AM. Reason: PWO not POW ;D
    "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do" - Epictetus

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    • #3
      So you're a bodybuilder + powerlifter that also does martial arts and trains with kettlebells? Are you kidding me? I don't believe that you can excel at any of those goals trying to do everything at once. Explain what your focus is and what the goals of your training/diet are. Then give an example of your weekly training schedule.

      "I can eat tubers and fruits for carbs as much as I desire though right?"
      Tubers, yes, but huge amounts of fruit probably isn't optimal. I wouldn't suggest eating more than 500g of fruit on a daily basis.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pandadude View Post
        So you're a bodybuilder + powerlifter that also does martial arts and trains with kettlebells? Are you kidding me? I don't believe that you can excel at any of those goals trying to do everything at once. Explain what your focus is and what the goals of your training/diet are. Then give an example of your weekly training schedule.

        "I can eat tubers and fruits for carbs as much as I desire though right?"
        Tubers, yes, but huge amounts of fruit probably isn't optimal. I wouldn't suggest eating more than 500g of fruit on a daily basis.
        Some people are more fit than others.

        -signed by a crossfitting, weight training, jiu jitsu student

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
          Some people are more fit than others.

          -signed by a crossfitting, weight training, jiu jitsu student
          There is a huge difference in the training of bodybuilders/crossfitters/powerlifters/stongman and the end results show that. I do know many that have switched disciplines with much success but the ones that like to WIN focus on the goals for their chosen discipline. Would you prep for a jiu jitsu comp by practicing boxing? they are both combat arts...

          When you say you are a powerlifter you are saying that you compete in powerlifting events
          there is a thing called powerbuilding - basically bodybuilding using the big 3 and focusing on strength
          and even if he isn't competing yet I always try to get people over into what I feel is the better discipline (this is my opinion only)
          Last edited by Rud3d0g; 01-16-2011, 12:40 PM.
          "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do" - Epictetus

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rud3d0g View Post
            There is a huge difference in the training of bodybuilders/crossfitters/powerlifters/stongman and the end results show that. I do know many that have switched disciplines with much success but the ones that like to WIN focus on their goals for the discipline. Would you prep for jiu jitsu by practicing boxing? they are both combat arts...
            Many jiu jitsu gyms also train in boxing, including my own.

            I fail to see how training in crossfit and weight lifting would in any way prevent me from focusing on jiu jitsu or vice versa. If I was body building to get as big and large looking as possible without any consideration for actual performance then yes, things would be different, but I don't think that's what the OP is doing either.

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            • #7
              focusing on crossfit, bodybuilding or kettlebells will distract from powerlifting
              "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do" - Epictetus

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rud3d0g View Post
                focusing on crossfit, bodybuilding or kettlebells will distract from powerlifting
                I suggest ritalin or adderall to help if you are getting distracted between different activities.

                edit: my bad, I meant to give a really good answer here to respond to your -excellent- synopsis of why crossfit, bodybuilding, and kettlebells will distract from powerlifting but I got distracted

                edit2: holy crap I did it again

                edit3: Oops I did it aga... I LIFT THINGS UP AND I PUT THEM DOWN
                Last edited by Rivvin; 01-16-2011, 12:46 PM.

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                • #9
                  Nobody has even attempted to answer the guy's question which had nothing to do with his training.
                  Answer:
                  I don't think anyone can design a paleo diet for you, dude. Eat a ton of natural meats and veggies, get as many carbs as you'll need, from starchy veg mainly but also some fruit. Read some people's journals to get a better idea of how it works - people here tend to be either super-fit or more often are in weight loss mode, so you'll want to figure out who's who. But don't "design a diet" - just go to your farmer's market and buy what is in season and super healthy.
                  If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
                    I suggest ritalin or adderall to help if you are getting distracted between different activities.

                    edit: my bad, I meant to give a really good answer here to respond to your -excellent- synopsis of why crossfit, bodybuilding, and kettlebells will distract from powerlifting but I got distracted

                    edit2: holy crap I did it again

                    edit3: Oops I did it aga... I LIFT THINGS UP AND I PUT THEM DOWN
                    Rivvin, you started out here as a really helpful and positive dude but are kind of sounding like a troll these days man, all sarcasm and negativity. Not fun or very helpful.
                    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
                      I suggest ritalin or adderall to help if you are getting distracted between different activities.

                      edit: my bad, I meant to give a really good answer here to respond to your -excellent- synopsis of why crossfit, bodybuilding, and kettlebells will distract from powerlifting but I got distracted

                      edit2: holy crap I did it again

                      edit3: Oops I did it aga... I LIFT THINGS UP AND I PUT THEM DOWN
                      sure dude I'm just a lunk - sorry Im at work and occasionally I get called to well.. work

                      my point was if you were 4 weeks out from a jiu-jitsu meet you wouldn't focus on boxing when you should be focusing on jiu-jitsu
                      a powerlifters only concern is his total - not "functional" strength or building more mass
                      "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do" - Epictetus

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                        Rivvin, you started out here as a really helpful and positive dude but are kind of sounding like a troll these days man, all sarcasm and negativity. Not fun or very helpful.
                        I guess if you want to cherry pick my posts, then yeah go ahead and call me a troll.

                        However, when I'm trying to discuss something and this is the response I get:
                        focusing on crossfit, bodybuilding or kettlebells will distract from powerlifting
                        A vague statement that leaves no room for discussion pretty much means I have a license to be a dick because nothing constructive is going to happen.


                        I don't post on these forums as much as I used too anyways, because 99% of the threads are repeat questions that have been answered and asked a million times, or stupid questions like "IS GROUP SEX PRIMAL??" (this is a real question from a real thread in another subforum here)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rud3d0g View Post
                          sure dude I'm just a lunk - sorry Im at work and occasionally I get called to well.. work

                          my point was if you were 4 weeks out from a jiu-jitsu meet you wouldn't focus on boxing when you should be focusing on jiu-jitsu
                          a powerlifters only concern is his total - not "functional" strength or building more mass
                          Oh well on that I totally agree with you. If I had a jiu jitsu tournament I would most likely completely stop crossfit for a month beforehand and focus purely on the tournament. However after the tournament I would go back to crossfit training for general conditioning and weight lifting.

                          I definitely agree there are times to limit "distractions", just not all the time. If that's what you were trying to say than I completely agree.

                          edit: See what happens when I am given something to work with, Tfarny?

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                          • #14
                            Didn't know one needed a license to be a d!ck
                            I figured you just didn't get my meaning because Im a little busy running around and needed to clarify

                            Edit: @Rivvin - you still have yet to post your primal post workout meal

                            Edit 2:http://www.brinkzone.com/videos/visi...lanet-fitness/ -in response to your lift things up comment
                            Last edited by Rud3d0g; 01-16-2011, 01:23 PM.
                            "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do" - Epictetus

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                            • #15
                              Yeah I do what might be called powerbuilding where I use really old school routines that focus on olympic lifts at the beginning and then slowly go into more conventional bbing as the workout progresses.

                              Kettlebells are great for endurance fat burnining circuts or general worm up I would not say anything wrong with bbing and kettles.

                              Martial Arts well just an additional hobby.

                              What am I training for myself and the goal of being healthy and have multiple atheltic skills as bbing or powerlifting is very limiting. I am also a Policeman and maybe I could pass into SWAT other then that I want to transfer to the military and take part in a bb contest anyways but since I just fooked my back during a deadlift I have to rethink.

                              COming back to diet so basically whey is ok so is milk proteins I can still have milk cottage cheese yoghurt, fruits and tubers are ok white rice is fine but not oats.

                              What about cheat both bbing and paleo meals like pasta???

                              Can I have lentils?

                              Tubers would be pretty much only potatoes does beats and turnips have any carbs at all??

                              I was always under the impression that veggie carbs do not count.

                              How about corn???

                              quinoa, amarantus etc.

                              I only plan to have carbs post workout at least this is my theory.

                              Once a week a cheat on lifestyle both paleo and bbing

                              Also fasting 1 a week one day and usually 12-14 hour fasts with training in there
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