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  • #16
    Originally posted by HonuRacer View Post
    I also have Factor V Leiden, which means I'm a hyper-clotter and have to watch my Vitamin K intake (dark leafy greens). I had laproscopic surgery last summer.
    Don't have much advice, but "hi" from another hyper-clotter Discovered this last fall when I found myself hospitalized for pulmonary embolism. Figures Spinach is one of my favorite things *sad* In any case at my next hemotologist visit I'm finding out about post-coumadin "therapy" - feverfew vs. aspirin, etc (basically blood thinners that aren't as extreme as the coumadin) and see if staying on that sort of thing will mean I can go back to my beloved spinach. Will happily let you know what I find out

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    • #17
      This is the quick and dirty low-down on IBS - it comes in three flavors - 1. constipation, 2. diarrhea, 3. alternating between the two. If you have IBS you fall into one of the three groups. On top of the BM type and frequency, you may experience pain in the upper GI when you eat something that aggravates your IBS. Bloating, gas in upper and lower GI are symptoms as well. IBS sufferers will often still feel like they need to go right after a BM, that full feeling does not go away.

      My symptoms are mostly pain after eating something that irritates my gut/bowels, frequent bloating and fullness in the upper GI (feels like there is a huge brick that won't go away) with a lot of gas formation in the lower bowels. I have the alternating form of IBS. I tend to engage in activities that don't include other people for obvious reasons - kayaking, hiking, riding my Kawi. Having IBS has really impacted my social life.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by handgallop View Post
        In any case at my next hemotologist visit I'm finding out about post-coumadin "therapy" - feverfew vs. aspirin, etc (basically blood thinners that aren't as extreme as the coumadin) and see if staying on that sort of thing will mean I can go back to my beloved spinach. Will happily let you know what I find out
        Factor V Leiden is genetic. I inherited from my father. He had DVT's in his legs every few years. His first experience was after a long-haul flight. I don't take coumadin anymore, I was on it for 9 months after my first DVT in 2001. My father, though, was on it for the remainder of his life after he had repeated DVT's. I can tell you the stuff is harsh. It completely destroyed his liver over a 25 year span. Other, more natural, blood thinners are Gingko, Vitamin E, feverfew (like you mentioned). Good luck with this disease. Those of us with Factor V are also prone to phlebitis - inflammation of the blood vessels.
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        • #19
          HonuRacer, it seems like you got a lot of good advice already. I just wanted to remind you not to let "the perfect be the enemy of good." Yes, it would probably be ideal if you could eat more vegetables. But, I just eliminating grains and sugar may be very beneficial for you. PB hasn't eliminated my IBS yet (I also have the alternating type), but it has helped it. Adding more "living foods" to my diet (like kefir and kimchee) has helped a lot too. You also might find that some extra starch helps you - I find sweet potatoes very soothing for my gut, plus their skin is a decent source of fiber. Also, as my body is adjusting to the PB, I'm starting to be able to eat things that I couldn't before. For example, I drank some coffee this morning, yet am not sitting on the toilet right now. That is a huge improvement for me!

          Ransom, it's hard to say what IBS looks like. It involves abdominal pain, and can take the form of diarrhea, constipation, or alternate between both (which is what the OP and I have). It's a diagnosis of exclusion - basically, you get tested for the billion known medical problems that can cause those types of gastrointestinal symptoms, and if they can't find anything else wrong with you, you get diagnosed with IBS. Yay.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by HonuRacer View Post
            My symptoms are mostly pain after eating something that irritates my gut/bowels, frequent bloating and fullness in the upper GI (feels like there is a huge brick that won't go away) with a lot of gas formation in the lower bowels. I have the alternating form of IBS. I tend to engage in activities that don't include other people for obvious reasons - kayaking, hiking, riding my Kawi. Having IBS has really impacted my social life.
            I had to quit my judo class for the same reasons Grappling and bad gas don't really mix... Running is my favorite exercise, since it lets me get away from my farts so quickly
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            • #21
              Hi, I've been through some of this, though not to that degree.

              Ransom, if you're struggling to pass little rocks, this is called dysbiosis. That means a lack of beneficial flora in your bowels. The moisture in poop comes from bacteria, not from drinking a lot of water or taking fiber. (Perhaps you know, for instance, that tiny babies who have never had anything but milk, produce poops several times a day. Obviously fiber is not needed to make poo.) There's a very funny Russian guy who talks ALL about this. I own his book, called "Fiber Menace." You can visit his website, called gutsense.org.

              HonuRacer, I'm glad you're giving up grains. You don't need their fiber, in fact, it makes things worse. Having a constant intake of fermented foods may help -- they certainly help me. It doesn't take large servings of them to do good, but the steadiness helps. It's good to have something fermented, even if just a tablespoon or so, every time you eat.

              The ones I like -- kombucha (easy to make your own from sweetened black tea), apple cider vinegar in warm water, real live sauerkraut, real live kimchee (you can make that also, at least as good as store-bought), and yogurt, especially home made, because then you can let it culture for 24 hours. This rids it of almost all the lactose. Lactose can be a problem.

              There's a good book called Breaking the Vicious Cycle, by Elaine Gottschall. A great many people have been helped by following her program, though you have to be strict. There are blogs about it, where people can compare what they are doing and get moral support. When I followed her program for two or three months, I completely lost my lifelong miserable hay fever, and my digestion was a lot less uncomfortable.

              If you have trouble with the runs, you may not be able to take magnesium by mouth, even the supposedly gut-friendly kinds like glycinate. (I can't.) I use magnesium "oil", which is a strong brine of magnesium chloride rubbed on the skin. I rub quite a bit on, then shower 1/2 hour later, since it's sticky. Magnesium is readily absorbed through the skin.

              I also have trouble with cruciferous vegetables (and squash, and especially ASPARAGUS! ... might as well be Epsom Salt.) However, I do a lot better with members of the cabbage family if they are raw or fermented. I can have a small salad of chopped raw cabbage, with some olive oil and vinegar, some avocado, and sometimes sardines on top. Cook the cabbage and I'd be miserable from smelly gas and bowel cramps.

              I find that taking a lot of fish oil can annoy my gut. However, krill oil is much better absorbed and also much less likely to be rancid (check the astaxanthin levels in it -- should be at least 1.5 mg per gram of oil.) Therefore, you don't need to take as much krill oil to get the benefit, and it isn't annoying. I felt better when I changed from fish oil to krill oil.

              If you need just a little blood-thinning, you can get it from drinking Good Earth Tea, which is strongly cinnamon-flavored. Turns out that most "cinnamon" in North America is really cassia, which contains coumarin. (Coumadin is a copy of coumarin.) So if you use "cinnamon" you need to add it to your blood-thinning list, to be sure you don't overdo.

              Hope this helps .............. I think you'll find matters go a lot better when you're totally off grains.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by HonuRacer View Post
                Factor V Leiden is genetic. I inherited from my father. He had DVT's in his legs every few years. His first experience was after a long-haul flight. I don't take coumadin anymore, I was on it for 9 months after my first DVT in 2001. My father, though, was on it for the remainder of his life after he had repeated DVT's. I can tell you the stuff is harsh. It completely destroyed his liver over a 25 year span. Other, more natural, blood thinners are Gingko, Vitamin E, feverfew (like you mentioned). Good luck with this disease. Those of us with Factor V are also prone to phlebitis - inflammation of the blood vessels.
                Yep, I have factor V from my father's side also. My uncle has had 3 DVTs, my grandfather a clot-induced stroke. I walked around in severe pain for two days before going to the hospital and was pretty stunned to find out I had a PE. Should be off coumadin in exactly one more month. Looking forward to it, out dealing with the horses I have whole constellations of bruises all over (sexy, right?)

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                • #23
                  I have it pretty bad too. I can't eat fruit or drink milk. No nightshades at all. No onions. No carrots. I can't eat eggs if any part of them are even close to raw. I find cooking makes some of these foods more tolerable. Basically, I stick to leafy greens, cucumbers, some hard cheeses and meats. I also can tolerate sweet potatoes pretty well--probably because I cook the hell out of them.

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                  • #24
                    I'll try to find Krill oil. I hope Planet Organic carries it. Not a big fan of fish oil capsules, especially mackerel. Smelly stuff.

                    I guess I'll go back to making my own yogurt. It's just that the bacteria available here end up making it such a sour product. I guess I'll get my mom to send me some yogurt bacteria from Germany. They have so many different varieties, even the ones that make the 'mild' yogurt that is not so sour after culturing. I don't know why I stopped. I guess sometimes you just get sick of it all.

                    Lots of good advice from everyone. I really appreciate it. It's often difficult to find people with similar problems and similar interest when it comes to getting healthy. There's just too much misinformation out there.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by handgallop View Post
                      Looking forward to it, out dealing with the horses I have whole constellations of bruises all over (sexy, right?)
                      I had to go 3 days in a row and get 3 injections of Heparin right after they diagnosed my DVT. I looked like I had been in a car wreck, they put all three injections in my lower belly. All shades of blue, green, yellow and purple. Then the Warfarin treatment starts... and weekly INR tests. What a joy.
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                      • #26
                        Might be helpful to find a skilled acupuncturist or tradition-chinese-medicine specialist. There are some good recommendations in this list, but working with an experienced practioner would be best.

                        My $0.02. Most people suffer from what TCM would call "Spleen Qi Deficiency" which is essentially not enough fire in your digestion - everything from stress to caffeine to gluten to anti-biotics to poor sleep to eating the wrong foods can severely weaken your digestion. And when your digestion is messed up, it takes a while to repair it.

                        The good thing is most Primal eating is recommended by TCM as a "cure". You want all your food to be warm or at least room temperature...that way your body doesn't have to warm it up to digest it...limit consuming water with meals...chew your food. You want to eat foods that are "warming" (see my link below) from a food-energetics standpoint...it's pretty common-sense. And you want to do things with your lifestyle to support good digestion; lot's of what Mark talks about - reduce stress, go for a walk after meals, self-massage your digestive track (rub your tummy clockwise).

                        I'm doing all these things and my digestion has improved considerably. But since I don't know exactly what you're dealing with, I'm just offering this as suggestions to consider...then go deeper.

                        http://www.barefoot-acupuncture.com/diet.html

                        Check that out...it's the guy who writes the Primal Wisdom blog.

                        I also recommend "The Way of Qi-gong" great section on diet...hint...it's Paleo:

                        http://www.amazon.com/Way-Qigong-Sci...052112&sr=8-19

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                        • #27
                          Gas is usually what causes the most pain, cramping and bloating associated with IBD at least. On flare ups a combination of gasx and some sort of pain killer works quite well. Gasx itself will stop the pain if you can wait it out. Gas itself is actually like little bubbles in the gut and I assume they scrape the sides of the intestines.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by HonuRacer View Post
                            I guess I'll go back to making my own yogurt. It's just that the bacteria available here end up making it such a sour product. I guess I'll get my mom to send me some yogurt bacteria from Germany. They have so many different varieties, even the ones that make the 'mild' yogurt that is not so sour after culturing. I don't know why I stopped. I guess sometimes you just get sick of it all.
                            Hey...are you straining your yogurt at all? I find that process really helps cut down on the sourness (not to mention the carbohydrate content ) I've had pretty good luck culturing my own yogurt just by using a spoonful of Fage Greek yogurt, which makes a nice mild finished product, though I don't think it has as many different cultures as some other brands. Anyway, it's awesome that your mom can send you a culture from Germany - I've heard that the Europeans take their yogurts much more seriously than most of us North Americans, haha.
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                            • #29
                              read the whole thread... i definitely have IBS, but it goes from one extreme to another... i figure the best way is to start meat and slowly add in but i cant go back to ZC cuz well i have a bad history with it... what happens if you have IBS and like a wholotta gas.constipation and occassional diareha and you just keep eating primal? im not sure what causes all my gas but i GOT A LOT.

                              i usually eat some sauerkraut(good stuff) before meals...occassional yogurt but the stuffs expensive and i vary my veggies so much its hard to tell what causes it cuz its pretty much every meal. tried the kombucha stuff before but i kept burping it up in my mough. tried ACV(with the 'mother') and i cant tell if it does anything but i use it in like tuna salad and stuff
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MalPaz View Post
                                read the whole thread... i definitely have IBS, but it goes from one extreme to another... i figure the best way is to start meat and slowly add in but i cant go back to ZC cuz well i have a bad history with it... what happens if you have IBS and like a wholotta gas.constipation and occassional diareha and you just keep eating primal? im not sure what causes all my gas but i GOT A LOT. i usually eat some sauerkraut(good stuff) before meals...
                                You've probably tried this, but do you get the gas without the sauerkraut?
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