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    Is soy milk something that could go in the 20%?

    I prefer it to cow's milk - just the smell of moo juice makes my stomach turn!

    I had a soy milk latte for the first time in ages the other day, and forgot how much I missed it!

    Until Starbucks start steaming coconut milk it's my only choice.

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    I wouldn't touch soy milk. I despise the taste and knowing that it's not good for you seals the deal for me.

    Starbucks hasn't felt any demand for coconut milk and probably will never take it up, you could bring your own and they'll steam it for you. You could probably even save money that way.
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    • #3
      See that's the thing, I really do genuinley like the taste of it - the unsweetened stuff too, I find sweetened too sweet!

      What a pity. I do take coconut milk to work but can't be carrying it round everywhere. Maybe a primal hipflask is in order?

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      • #4
        I'm being a bad board member because I don't feel like searching up any articles on soy milk for you but everything I've ever read regarding soy milk specifically has been bad. I know Mark had a post detailing all soy products and fermented soy products like miso soup and the soy bean itself (edamame) was deemed somewhat safe.

        However, if this isn't a daily indulgence I guess there's worse things you could be doing. As a male, I worry about anything messing with my testosterone.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
          I wouldn't touch soy milk. I despise the taste and knowing that it's not good for you seals the deal for me.

          Starbucks hasn't felt any demand for coconut milk and probably will never take it up, you could bring your own and they'll steam it for you. You could probably even save money that way.
          Really? Starbucks will steam anything people bring into the store? I'm surprised there's not some concern on hygiene with that. But I'm thrilled if it's possible...my twice-weekly cappucino habit has been the hardest part of giving up dairy. Tea at Starbucks just isn't the same as a nice frothy cup of coffee.
          Liz.

          Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
          Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food

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          • #6
            Unfermented soy is liquid cancer.

            And to paraphrase the great Lewis Black, "It's soy juice. There's no soy milk because there's no soy tit."
            You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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            • #7
              Looks like a unaminous 'Nay!' - black it is, then!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lizch View Post
                Really? Starbucks will steam anything people bring into the store? I'm surprised there's not some concern on hygiene with that. But I'm thrilled if it's possible...my twice-weekly cappucino habit has been the hardest part of giving up dairy. Tea at Starbucks just isn't the same as a nice frothy cup of coffee.
                I have a couple of friends that work at Starbucks, different locations, and they all say you can bring in your own milk, cup, etc and they'll make you whatever drink you're looking to get. Obviously they don't take responsibility for taste. Also, they have to clean the steaming nozzle after every use as well as the tin they use to steam the milk and such. You know what always works? saying you have an allergy, they'll take the extra time to make sure they clean and not just re-use.
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                • #9
                  Yes, it's horribly estrogenic, besides the anti-nutrients. Lierre Keith's book detailed with feeling all the bad stuff in it and what it does to people. Estrogenic (like taking birth control pills), anti-nutrients, and it ruins memory, especially when vegans are trying to depend on it as a protein source. Plus most of it is genetically modified by the evil geniuses at Monsanto. And it's all processed so thoroughly that any nutrition which got through the other problems is totally denatured. Her description of the factory process needed to turn soybeans to soy milk or textured soy protein was horrific.

                  Remember that tofu is not fermented, and only fermentation offers any protection at all.

                  Lierre pointed out that in Chinese, the ideograms for wheat and for rice showed the plant, but for soybeans, it showed the root.
                  Ancient Chinese didn't eat the soybeans except in a famine. They used the plant's nitrogen-fixing to restore fertility to their grain fields.

                  Is there some reason you need to drink something milky? Just straight tea won't do? Or coffee with some coconut oil added?

                  My sister uses pemmican as a snack to keep going when it's hard to take time for a meal. There's a company which makes it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by piano-doctor-lady View Post
                    Lierre pointed out that in Chinese, the ideograms for wheat and for rice showed the plant, but for soybeans, it showed the root.
                    Ancient Chinese didn't eat the soybeans except in a famine. They used the plant's nitrogen-fixing to restore fertility to their grain fields.
                    Now THAT is interesting!! That's something I can use when I talk to Japanese friends about soy.
                    You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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                    • #11
                      Just googled steaming coconut milk. One guy said it works great with the So Delicious stuff, which is too processed for my taste, but doesn't work at all well with the canned stuff. Turns it to sludge. Anyone here tried it?
                      Liz.

                      Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
                      Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food

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                      • #12
                        I think there's also the story of how Buddhist monks would "use" soy products to decrease their libidos and help them be celibate.
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                        • #13
                          I think I got it from Lierre's book, Grumpy. I found that factoid very interesting, but I didn't check on the web to confirm it.

                          Wow, the Yukon, way up there!

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                          • #14
                            I heard the same thing about the Buddhist monks, IniQuity. They were vegetarian and ate soy because it quenched desire.

                            By the way, hops are also estrogenic. There's a theory that plants which are highly estrogenic are trying to protect themselves from being eaten a lot by wrecking the breeding capacity of the animals doing the eating.

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                            • #15
                              Here's some info from Dr. Mercola. For the most part, I find a lot of other articles that support his stuff. I suggest you join (it's free) because there are some really good articles on his site (the one about cholesterol myths is also excellent).
                              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ur-health.aspx

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