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  • Originally posted by jammies View Post
    Sorry - I didn't see this post until now. Things to avoid for sure: tomatoes, potatoes, peppers of any kind, tomatillos, and eggplant, Peppers can be hidden in all kinds of things - you'll frequently find paprika in mustard, pickles, sausages, and all kinds of sauces. Sweet potatoes, black pepper, and white pepper are okay.

    There is also some solanine in a few other foods that are not nightshades - apples, blueberries, arthichokes, and cucumber (I think), but the levels are much lower. It may be worth avoiding those during your trial and then testing them individually.

    Good luck!
    How come Sweet potatoes are okay to eat? Aren't they in the potato family? LOL
    Btw, I am glad they are okay to eat. Coz I enjoy them after my weight lifting workouts

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    • Hmm I dont have join pain, or auto immune response.. however my stomach hurts for a bit if I eat certain nightshades for sure, like tomatoes, and eggplants, and sometimes tomato sauce. I'm still experimenting with others. I'm thinking this is a good reason to give them up, or at least the ones that seem to bother me.

      My stomach also feels "notty" if I eat white rice. Has anyone else had a similiar experience?
      Primal since March 2011

      Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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      • I'm going to read through this thread today, but first my intro: I've had constant post nasal drip and minor sinus congestion for the past several months at least. I thought it was just extended seasonal allergies at first, but it seems unlikely that's what it would be at this point (constant freezing temperatures). I don't have any noticeably digestive issues from nightshades, but my doctor recommended an elimination diet. The diet is essentially paleo (so no dairy), minus eggs, citrus, and tomatoes. The doctor did not mention cutting out anything else in the nightshade family, probably because I don't often eat those things (potatoes, eggplant etc.). I think it is likely that I have more of a dairy intolerance than I previously thought, but I don't think I have any problems with eggs (I was eating them everyday for months and felt great aside from the sinus issues).

        It should not be too much of a change to go primal to restricted paleo for a month (starting January 1st), but I'm having a hard time even staying primal lately! This is a bad time of year for temptation
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        • Ugg, allergies...the diet you can't cheat on. For me it is sunflower seeds(followed by an epipen). My husband and daughter are both sensitive to peppers, my husbands mouth feels blistered even after tiny amounts and my daughter gets a stomachache and vomits after eating them. My stomach gets bombed(wicked heartburn) by cooked tomato and has since I was a little kid, peppers will also bomb my stomach. I haven't noticed anything joint related after eating nightshades, but I am getting old enough that joint aches are part of the background noise. I did notice that after I went primal that when I ate something with wheat in it and my joints ached enough that I had trouble getting to sleep. My son is allergic to corn and all corn derivatives so I've been cooking from scratch for awhile and I've always been a label reader due to everyone's allergies and diabetes. It would be nice to eat spontaneously and not have to examine everything first.

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          • Originally posted by activia View Post
            Hmm I dont have join pain, or auto immune response.. however my stomach hurts for a bit if I eat certain nightshades for sure, like tomatoes, and eggplants, and sometimes tomato sauce. I'm still experimenting with others. I'm thinking this is a good reason to give them up, or at least the ones that seem to bother me.

            My stomach also feels "notty" if I eat white rice. Has anyone else had a similiar experience?
            Yes, I suspect you should to a trial of no nightshades for a bit. If you are sensitive to one, there is a good chance you are sensitive to all . I am also sensitive to rice - although it's not nearly as bad as nightshades. Rice gives me heartburn. Rice does contain a potent lectin capable of binding in human tissues. Much of that lectin is removed in cooked white rice - but not all of it. So that could be what you are reacting to.
            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

            http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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            • Originally posted by leanzorik View Post
              How come Sweet potatoes are okay to eat? Aren't they in the potato family? LOL
              Btw, I am glad they are okay to eat. Coz I enjoy them after my weight lifting workouts
              Sweet potatoes are not actually related to potatoes (I think they are in the same family as morning glory). They do not contain solanine, which is the glycoalkyloid that causes problems for many people in nightshades.
              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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              • Great thread FairyRae!
                i will be following with interest.....

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                • Originally posted by jammies View Post
                  Yes, I suspect you should to a trial of no nightshades for a bit. If you are sensitive to one, there is a good chance you are sensitive to all . I am also sensitive to rice - although it's not nearly as bad as nightshades. Rice gives me heartburn. Rice does contain a potent lectin capable of binding in human tissues. Much of that lectin is removed in cooked white rice - but not all of it. So that could be what you are reacting to.
                  I was afraid of that. It only happens if I eat a LOT of rice (1 cup measured uncooked) If I have 1/4 cup (measured cooked) I dont seem to have a problem. I do soak my white rice the night before as well. I had brown rice (again it was a HUGE portion) a couple of times and this left me gassy and very uncomfortable. So I think I'm going to do a combo of sweet potatoes with a small amount of white rice my next lifting workout carb load. Once I did my carb load with primarily white potatoes and I felt flu-like (although I did eat a lot and it was almost all I ate and I usually eat low carb)

                  I have noticed that sometimes I'm OK with tomato sauce (again if I have a smaller amount) and other times I'm not. I'm still iffy on the eggplant thing once I felt someting once I didn't, I'm wondering if that one time I felt off was because I hate tomato sauce with it cleary not the way to go for me... I already don't eat peppers as I don't like them. Cooked onions are no bother to me. The thing is I definitley have a pollen allergy which causes issues with me with some fruit (Melon/peaches/plums are the biggest culprit) or apples if they are really old. Also if strawberries are cut and left out for any amount of time. So I think the tomato thing could also be related to this allergy as well.

                  I've also always stayed away from things like cayenne pepper/paprika as I don't like spicy things hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe there is a reason why my taste buds are not adapted. Gosh after writing this I'm pretty sure I am nightshade SENSITIVE. So much for my Italian blood.. I have been pretty much night shade free. I only have egg plant once in awhile and stay away from tomatoes most of the time, I have a bit of tomato sauce (its getting less and less) a few times a month. I never have peppers or white potatoes (after that one experiment). I guess there is no reason to force the taste issue on peppers for me..haha

                  I guess eating a lot of one thing can magnify a problem enough for you to realize you have one. I previously had no ill effects when eating rice/bread etc that I never noticed. But lately when I really pay attention if I do "cheat" ...stupid me didnt realized the mushrooms at the restuarant were stuffed with..STUFFING.. I do notice my stomach gets knotty for about 10-15 mins. Also explains why a scoop of plain ice cream doesnt seem to bother me but a brownie make me feel very sick, or why ice cream that has other "stuff" in it.. does bother me (especially after exercising). Its very interesting how sensitive I am now, or how oblivious I was before.

                  Speaking of mushrooms..once I had a grilled large portebello mushroom (it was a bit old) and I felt terribly sick after for a few hours! After that I hadnt had mushrooms again for awhile, since I've had a couple of small portebello mushrooms here and there and been OK, any ideas?? Iv'e had a couple of large grilled ones in the past with no ill effects (that I remember anyways).

                  I don't think I need to be 100% off as small portions of night shades (except maybe raw old tomatoes) seem to not effect me.
                  Last edited by activia; 12-14-2011, 12:44 PM.
                  Primal since March 2011

                  Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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                  • Just wanted to point out something to look out for, if you are sensitive to very small amounts of nightshades.

                    You should avoid anything with "FOOD STARCH" as an ingredient, because the source of the starch could be POTATO.

                    If you're cooking all your own food from scratch, it shouldn't be a problem, but anything packaged you have to go over with a fine-toothed comb. My husband tried avoiding nightshades last spring to see if it made a difference for his psoriatic arthritis (it didn't seem to be connected, but now we're contemplating doing another elimination period to confirm), and we did some extensive research about all the hidden sources of nightshades.

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                    • Nice thread. I started an elimination diet three days ago. I've been avoiding it, but my sinuses have gotten worse this month, and I'm really curious to see if this helps me.

                      For anyone who has successfully eliminated nightshades (and dairy and eggs) -- at what point did you start to notice a change in symptoms? Days? Weeks? I'm curious. So far I don't notice anything, and I'm somewhat resigned to always having allergies.
                      Steph
                      My Primal Meanderings

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                      • Originally posted by onalark View Post
                        Nice thread. I started an elimination diet three days ago. I've been avoiding it, but my sinuses have gotten worse this month, and I'm really curious to see if this helps me.

                        For anyone who has successfully eliminated nightshades (and dairy and eggs) -- at what point did you start to notice a change in symptoms? Days? Weeks? I'm curious. So far I don't notice anything, and I'm somewhat resigned to always having allergies.
                        For nightshades I noticed a difference in less than a week. I had major swelling and pain in most of my joints (in spite of treatment) and it was noticeably reduced in a few days. Eggs and dairy are less dramatic for me. Dairy causes fatigue for me - it takes at least a week or two of really strict avoidance for my energy to come back. Eggs are hit or miss - sometimes I can eat a few with no real problems, sometimes I get swelling in my knee with a day.

                        With nightshades, make sure to read labels like a crazy person....nothing listed as having "spices", no paprika, food starch, or thickeners.....it's hidden in everything.
                        Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                        http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                        • A friend sent me this very interesting article of dietary lectins today. It makes a lot of sense that those of us with autoimmune conditions should stay low lectin/nightshade free after reading this.....

                          Do dietary lectins cause disease?
                          Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                          http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                          • This is such an interesting thread. I'd never even heard the term "nightshade" before I found MDA in August. I suffer from osteoarthritis in many parts of my body. My left knee was so bad this past year that I was most certainly facing a knee replacement operation. I started eating Primal on Sept. 1st, and the improvement in my joint pain has been unbelievable. But I suspect that most of the improvement has occurred from eliminating all grains because I only recently learned about nightshades. Fact is I've never been a huge lover of tomatoes, peppers or white potatoes, and I've never liked eggplant, but I do still eat them occasionally (once or twice a month) and they don't seem to affect me. So does that mean that some people, such as myself, are affected more strongly by grains than by nightshades as far as how it affects arthritis? I don't have an autoimmune disease that I know of. I could pretty easily eliminate nightshades, but like I said I don't notice a flair up in my joints when I eat them. I'm sure grains would be a totally different story though!

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                            • If I eat too much nightshade, my right thumb twitches. That's just an outward sign, I have no idea what it's doing to my nerves, etc. So I have a little hot sauce once in awhile. But I don't miss tomatoes, eggplant or the rest too often, especially since I can get away with the occasional cheat like an 8-pepper Kung Pao chicken (I love to sweat!) or a little hot sauce on my mackerel. I'm not picky and do fine on a narrow, regimented diet. All I eat are around ten basic food items which satisfy all of my nutritional requirements. Sometimes I'll splurge and get some almonds or something for fun. So I probably don't belong in a support thread since my contributed sentiment would be largely comprised of "Suck it up" and "What are you worried about? Just don't eat them!".
                              Crohn's, doing SCD

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                              • I buy Amora or Maille made in France. The Maille sold in the US has xanthan and sulfites. Amora sold here does not. I use a fair amount in salad dressings and mayonnaise. Those two are too hot to use in huge amts like we used to put on burgers and dogs. You can get Maille and Amora at Amazon.com. No spices in Dijon bought in Dijon, not sure about English mustard like Colman.
                                Last edited by Snauzoo; 02-19-2012, 04:01 PM.

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