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  • John Stossel - Natural Is Not Always Better - Grass-fed beef

    Wanted to get thoughts on this...

    Specifically his statement ""There is absolutely no scientific evidence based on that [claim that the more naturally raised animals are healthier to eat]. Absolutely none," she replied. "There is some very slight difference in fatty acids, for example, but they are so minor that they don't make any significant human health impact.""

    Note that Stossel shares some things in common with PB concepts... Government should butt out of driving our health guidelines, they end up wrongly condemning fat in favor of sugar/carbs, etc.

  • #2
    I think it's a load of shit personally... His claim that "everything" has chemicals & hormones in it is a poor arguement to buy factory farmed meats of ANY kind! Just one more reason to eat as much organic food as possible if you ask me! So you DO avoid the poison the government puts in so many of our "foods"!


    • #3
      I keep thinking of a comment on another thread about something like this that said, "Well, maybe we're not measuring the right things." We keep thinking we can segment out parts of a whole and prove it's the same. We don't have the big picture. Eating an orange will always be healthier than popping a vitamin C pill. The orange is much more than just vitamin C, and we do not know what part those other things play, but nature does nothing without reason.

      So to me to say that there is no difference, means that we are simply measuring the wrong things.
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      • #4
        It tastes a lot better so even if it's not better then I don't give a rats ass!


        • #5
          Grass feed beef has a omega 6 to 3 ratio of 3:1. Grain feed beef has an omega 6 to 3 ratio of 16:1. That ought to be a big enough reason to prefer grass fed.

          Further, grass fed beef also has more iron (hence the redder colour).

          If you are interested in environmental issues then you ought to buy grass fed because cattle shitting all over the pasture is good for the soil, but growing grains to feed cattle just rapes the soil and turns it into a dustbowel.

          I suspect that whoever this guy is he has an agenda, or maybe he is just an idiot.
          A steak a day keeps the doctor away


          • #6
            I have not asked any cows for their input, however ... since cutting out grains, the pain in my joints is gone. I have had all kinds of inflammation issues (from allergies and resulting sinusitis to Hashimoto's Thyroiditis --> thyroid cancer to joint/bone pain to rosacea to more ...) ever since I can remember. Since changing my diet, I am watching symptoms disappear. That tells me that I don't want to eat grain ... or anything that eats grain. For all we know, the grain-fed cattle are reminiscing about the good ol' days of their forefathers that roamed on the range ... noshing grass ...


            • #7
              I like some of the things Stossel has brought to the television. I disagree with him on occasion, but he does actually try to dig for some truth in matters of conventional wisdom. However, he only played on side of this story and called it bunk. The logic he is using is wrong. AND of course his researcher is a spokesperson for the DAIRY industry. He mentions Pollan's article, but that as far as he goes. I just see this as irresponsible.
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              • #8
                I buy grassfed beef whenever I can, and believe in buying local as much as possible.

                BUT, as far as the omega 3:6 ratio goes, it doesn't _really_ matter all that much from what I've read, as there are very little PUFAs in beef, and mostly saturated fat. Therefore, its more important to buy pastured chicken and pork (which contain more PUFAs, so the O3:O6 ratio is much more important there.)

                The hormones are freaky though, whatever the case! (And toxins are stored in the fat--I'm sure a CAFO cow will have more toxins in its fat than a grass-fed cow who does not recieve hormones, antibiotics, etc...)

                ETA: Wanted to mention, I agree w/ the pp who mentioned there are most likely benefits from eating an animal that eats its natural diet (ie cows eating grass) that we are not measuring or aware of yet. I will certainly continue to choose grass fed as much as possible as I do think it matters!
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                • #9
                  The health benefits are a side perk for me. The way confinement animals are treated is disgusting to me. I do not give my money that system.
                  Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )



                  • #10
                    Mark linked to this article in one of his posts I think, or linked to an article that linked to this one. Didn't exist anymore on the server, so pulled it from the Internet Archive and saved it for posterity. Basically, pastured meat uses land that is usually unsuited for agriculture, pastured animals actually improve the vegetative health of their pasture as well as reduce soil erosion. What's more, I understand from the article that all agriculture, including organic, contribute to soil erosion. This doesn't even begin to cover the harm animals come to when eating foods they are not meant to.

                    I think it's important to read arguments that go against what we believe because one of the worst things we can do is become blinded by our own beliefs, but the article really fails every test I have for being taken seriously.
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                    • #11
                      Consider the source. If you look at Stossel's previous work you will see that he is a corporate shill and a massive tool.


                      • #12
                        Well, that's an educated response. Hahahaha
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tuscoyote View Post
                          Consider the source. If you look at Stossel's previous work you will see that he is a corporate shill and a massive tool.
                          Welcome to the forum.... nice introduction!

                          Stossel is generally fairly libertarian, which is great in my book, but he's just wrong on this one. It happens...


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FairyRae View Post
                            ...the omega 3:6 ratio goes, it doesn't _really_ matter all that much from what I've read, as there are very little PUFAs in beef, and mostly saturated fat. Therefore, its more important to buy pastured chicken and pork (which contain more PUFAs, so the O3:O6 ratio is much more important there.)
                            First, I'd have to disagree with that, because it DOES matter, ratios are important- Beef is actually a better bet for people who are trying to minimize meats high in Omega-6's. You are very unlikely to find any Chicken or Pork farmers (pastured, organic, or otherwise) that don't supplement their animal's diets with grains. Obviously, with beef 100% grass-fed is readily available.

                            Also, here's a link to an abstract from a study done by Clemson that shows greed-fed beef (among other things) is higher in Vitamins E, B, CLA, Beta-carotene, and has a much better Omega 6/3 ratio of 1.65 versus 4.84 in grain-fed animals. Dr. Jude should do a bit more homework.

                            Secondly, the whole greenhouse gas issue isn't even concrete, and is very much debatable- and even if it does indeed exist, who in their right mind would blame cows over cars and factories?
                            Last edited by Shibbel; 11-19-2010, 06:26 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Just for the record, beef has CLA and chickens and pigs don't. You can readily get true free range (no grain) chickens and pigs, you just have to shop a little.

                              As to the methane issue, the bottom line is carbon. CAFO's are carbon negative, this means that any methane that is emitted goes into the atmosphere. The question is why, the answer is because the ground that CAFO's reside on is either muck or hard packed, it cannot sequester (hold) any carbon in it, so all emissions escape. A pasture based operation builds soil through manure, plant trample and ground disturbance. Soil sequesters carbon for use by the grass. Grass based operations are carbon positive meaning they take in more carbon than is emitted. I guess Dr. Jude thinks forests aren't necessary either.

                              In any study like this, you simply have to look at who funded the study. Stossel did not do his homework because controversy sells and makes for more views. Right or wrong Stossel is getting a lot of media out of this report. I think it's disgusting but it is smart media so you can't really blame the guy for doing his job. Dr. Jude is a totally different story, she is a complete sell out!