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  • Magnesium supplements: what's the excuse?

    OK, deliberately silly-provocative title, I admit it. But...

    Vitamin D supplementation, because we're not running round outdoors naked on the savannah all day. Makes sense.

    Fish oil supplementation, because the meat we eat nowadays has a messed-up ratio of Omega 6:3. Also makes sense.

    Magnesium supplementation - which seems to be pretty common, with lots of people needing it to prevent night cramps - why?

    Did Grok suffer from chronic night cramps for lack of magnesium pills? If not, why not?

    (Are we getting mineral deficiencies because we're running scared of nuts and seeds?)

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    Nope. Most of the soil veggies areis grown in now has been depleted of so many of those micronutrients like zinc, magnesium, manganese and others that there's only a small percentage in them compared to what Grok saw. In order to compensate for that, we'd have t eat much more organ meat, which now many people do. So, to compensate for both of those, I/ we supplement as necessary.
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    • #3
      One of the best ways to get magnesium is by swimming in mineral rich sea water. (Which is a major reason some folks like to supp w/ mag chloride oil, transdermally.) Swimming in mineral rich water, you will absorb lots of minerals through your skin. Most of us don't do this all that often though. This along w/ the (now lacking) minerals in soil mentioned by naiad are two big reasons to supplement.
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      • #4
        I think I also heard that our water has less minerals than the water Grok would have been drinking out of streams and whatnot... but I don't remember the source so I have no idea if it's true.
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        • #5
          Lol....I just posted about this curiosity in another thread. I'll paste my post here:

          "Since I stared browsing these forums and others like it I've seen the mention of magnesium many times. Then sooner or later it was suggested that I may need it. I was also told that everyone needs to supplement because most everyone is low due to the SAD. When I was last at my cardiologist I suggested we might check my magnesium and also thyroid (something else suggested might be a problem by forum members). He told me they don't normally check mag anymore because it is rare that they find anyone is low . He said we would check mine. It turned out it was fine, just like he said it would.....thyroid too. I was also told on forums that my potassium might be low.....that too was fine also. My doc is starting to think I'm nuts."

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          • #6
            As one on the trade for water treatment for small towns, I can tell you that, in TX at least, that's actually true, Mayness. It usually filtered out to soften the water or to make it meet USDA/ FDA/ EPA/ state agency water quality requirements.
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            • #7
              Ah - soil depletion - gotcha. Makes sense.

              I'd still prefer to find it in food if I can. Hm. Is there any actual, direct evidence of people suffering bad effects from eating plenty of nuts and seeds? I know the theory about omega balance and phytic acid... I'm just wondering how it works out in practice with real food.

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              • #8
                Im more concerned about the calories and carbs than o6's, just because they're such little macronurtient bombs.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hilary View Post
                  OK, deliberately silly-provocative title, I admit it. But...

                  Vitamin D supplementation, because we're not running round outdoors naked on the savannah all day. Makes sense.

                  Fish oil supplementation, because the meat we eat nowadays has a messed-up ratio of Omega 6:3. Also makes sense.

                  Magnesium supplementation - which seems to be pretty common, with lots of people needing it to prevent night cramps - why?
                  Because in an environment more closely resembling that in which we evolved, magnesium rich water was a significant source of said mineral - both orally, transdermally and via food caught from those waters.

                  Plus, grok didn't salt his food and got a *ton* more potassium than we do.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
                    Im more concerned about the calories and carbs than o6's, just because they're such little macronurtient bombs.
                    True - though so far I seem to be able to eat them without putting the weight back on.

                    Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                    Because in an environment more closely resembling that in which we evolved, magnesium rich water was a significant source of said mineral - both orally, transdermally and via food caught from those waters.

                    Plus, grok didn't salt his food and got a *ton* more potassium than we do.


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                    Also makes sense. You often do .

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tommy7 View Post
                      Lol....I just posted about this curiosity in another thread. I'll paste my post here:

                      "Since I stared browsing these forums and others like it I've seen the mention of magnesium many times. Then sooner or later it was suggested that I may need it. I was also told that everyone needs to supplement because most everyone is low due to the SAD. When I was last at my cardiologist I suggested we might check my magnesium and also thyroid (something else suggested might be a problem by forum members). He told me they don't normally check mag anymore because it is rare that they find anyone is low . He said we would check mine. It turned out it was fine, just like he said it would.....thyroid too. I was also told on forums that my potassium might be low.....that too was fine also. My doc is starting to think I'm nuts."
                      Low magnesium does not typically show up on blood work until it's BAD. Your body has mechanisms to compensate and it will keep your blood values in range at all costs.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tommy7 View Post
                        Lol....I just posted about this curiosity in another thread. I'll paste my post here:

                        "Since I stared browsing these forums and others like it I've seen the mention of magnesium many times. Then sooner or later it was suggested that I may need it. I was also told that everyone needs to supplement because most everyone is low due to the SAD. When I was last at my cardiologist I suggested we might check my magnesium and also thyroid (something else suggested might be a problem by forum members). He told me they don't normally check mag anymore because it is rare that they find anyone is low . He said we would check mine. It turned out it was fine, just like he said it would.....thyroid too. I was also told on forums that my potassium might be low.....that too was fine also. My doc is starting to think I'm nuts."
                        Not to dis your doc... but I was told my thyroid was fine for 5 years as it got worse and worse (I was tested 4 separate times during this time). She was running incomplete tests (only TSH) and not reading current literature on where levels should be for optimal function. Needless to say I booted that doc to the curb. Which is to say you may very well be fine, or you may have higher levelsl that fall within the 'range' and so will be told you're fine until it gets so bad that you can't function-- which is what happened to me.

                        Also agree that your body will leech minerals from other organs until there isn't anymore to keep the blood levels normal. Only when youre basically depleted completely will the blood values finally start showing issues.

                        Which isn't to say you' aren't getting enough, you very well could be between foods and stuff anyway!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mayness View Post
                          I think I also heard that our water has less minerals than the water Grok would have been drinking out of streams and whatnot... but I don't remember the source so I have no idea if it's true.
                          I've also heard this somewhere, but i haven't been able to find the source. Basically paleo peoples would drink from streams, and these streams had certain minerals/nutrients that one does not receive in a modern water supply.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tommy7 View Post
                            He told me they don't normally check mag anymore because it is rare that they find anyone is low .
                            Of course they don't. Serum magnesium only determines that your kidneys are working it is not and never has been a measure for total body magnesium stores.

                            You need intracellular testing (very $$$) to do that....spectracell or similar. Or just track amounts (total mg, mg in ratio to calorie intake, mg in ratio to ca intake), track symptoms and treat accordingly.



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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tommy7 View Post
                              It turned out it was fine, just like he said it would.....thyroid too. I was also told on forums that my potassium might be low.....that too was fine also. My doc is starting to think I'm nuts."
                              Originally posted by Minxxa View Post
                              Not to dis your doc..
                              I think we can safely dis his doc Lol. J/K Tommy.

                              Most docs don't realize that the 'range' for TSH is to wide (like the range of 25(OH), like the range of ferritin). The range of optimal is very very narrow for TSH.

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