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    I am trying to understand insulin. I would like everyone to correct me as we go along.

    This is the old me:

    Breakfast: 20oz coffee with 5 cream 5 sugar and massive cinnamon roll with sugar dripping all over it.

    Lunch: Burger with the works, large fries, large Coke and large chocolate shake with extra syrup.

    Dinner: Pasta with meat sauce and garlic bread.

    Snacks: during the day I would have say half a bag of cookies or at least three servings of some cake. Hershey's ultimate chocolate cake with peanut butter icing. (once I ate the whole cake over three days)

    Now that surely caused my insulin to rise to the stratosphere. But I want to back off a bit and ask lets say I just had the breakfast would that alone cause my body through out the rest of the day to store all calories as fat? Lets say I had pure primal meals after that breakfast!

    Thanks for the help.

    Mark
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  • #2
    I know this might not be exactly what you are looking for...and this article is a couple years old but personally I found it helpful to read
    http://fitnessblackbook.com/dieting_...e-weight-gain/

    Hopefully someone with more background in nutrition and experience can answer your question more specifically, as it is a good question. I can only offer my humble opinion from reading other things here and on other websites and that is what you eat for breakfast seems to "set the tone" for how your body will react to the food you eat for the rest of the day. Or at least this has been the experience for some, and I have started to notice this to be true for myself.

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    • #3
      Oh and I was thinking you may have already read Mark's post, but if not ... http://www.marksdailyapple.com/insulin-index/

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      • #4
        I did find Marks article after I made the post but the second one was just as good. So I can see that a sugar filled breakfast will make it impossible for a person to even burn fat. I remember being told once and believing that we should always have carbs with every meal that with out carbs it was impossible to burn fat. That is how I lived for for the last 28 years, doing the exact opposite of what I should have been doing. Unreal... Thanks very much.

        Mark
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        • #5
          Yes that's the conclusion I've come to as well. It is unbelievable...it's kind of like re-learning everything or that's what I feel like a lot! Good luck on your primal journey!

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          • #6
            In my limited experience (I'm pretty new to PB) it has been best to start with a primal breakfast. If you feel the need to have high-sugar stuff on a given day as you are transitioning to primal, have it with lunch or dinner, rather than starting off the day with the sugar spike. So far, starting with a primal breakfast has made me crave less sweets the rest of the day.

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            • #7
              Insulin also does not have just one function either and it's not quite as simple as that. Protein also causes insulin spikes although not quite as bad as carbs do and insulin also does things like getting protein into your muscles. Which is not to say that it won't store fat in your fat cells because when you do eat a lot of sugar it will store a lot of it in your fat cells as well.
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              • #8
                I highly suggest reading these:
                http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=369
                http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=561
                http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=592
                http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=696
                http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=708

                Fat loss is not just about insulin, its also about total calories.

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                • #9
                  YES THESE articles are money... good stuff there and in the comments too
                  Get on my Level
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                  • #10
                    God love you NDF you just confused me even further. Now what the **** do I do become a scientist. Can you break this down in a way an idiot can understand it. I just got to the point of having any understanding of what to do. I guess since eating carbs is o.k. now I will have a snickers and loose weight.
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                    • #11
                      The bottom line is that insulin does not deserve the bad reputation that it has been given, and the “carbohydrates drive insulin which drives fat storage” mantra is wrong. To summarize:
                      • Insulin suppresses appetite; it does not increase it
                      • A high carbohydrate diet does not cause chronically high insulin levels
                      • Protein is insulinemic, and in certain cases, can be just as insulinemic as carbohydrate
                      • Contrary to popular belief, glucagon does not “cancel out” the suppression of lipolysis by insulin when protein is ingested
                      • The insulinemic effects of protein are due to a direct stimulatory effect on the pancreas, and not because the protein is converted to glucose
                      • The combination of protein and carbohydrate can produce greater insulin secretion than either one alone, yet high protein, moderate-to-high carbohydrate diets are very effective for weight loss
                      • Very high carbohydrate diets have been demonstrated to produce weight loss when people are in an energy deficit
                      • Dairy is extremely insulinemic, just as insulinemic as white bread, yet does not promote weight gain in the absence of an energy surplus. This is supported by a very large number of studies, including animal studies, observational studies, and randomized controlled trials.
                      • Insulin is not required for fat storage
                      • Insulin levels are not predictive of weight gain or weight loss in the majority of prospective studies
                      • Exenatide restores rapid phase insulin release in diabetics, yet causes weight loss
                      • The effects of insulin injection cannot be compared to normal physiological insulin release, since amylin is co-secreted with insulin from the pancreas
                      • Insulin mainly functions as an inhibitory hormone rather than a storage hormone, acting as a brake on many important physiologic processes
                      • A type I diabetic without insulin becomes hyperglycemic because of overproduction of glucose by the liver, not because insulin can’t get into cells
                      • Insulin enhances the uptake of glucose into cells, but is not required for it
                      • Insulin regulates blood sugar after a meal both by stopping the liver from producing glucose and enhancing glucose uptake into cells.
                      • In a fasted state, insulin regulates blood sugar by controlling glucose production of the liver, not by affecting the uptake of glucose into cells
                      • You cannot simply look at the temporary effects of insulin on lipolysis and glucose storage. You have to address what is happening over a 24-hour period; body fat will not increase if there is no overall energy surplus.
                      Get on my Level
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                      • #12
                        In short yes, sugar is bad. In order to lose weight you need to find a way to limit your calories. Your body will need protein as a building block so, you can't cut that out so that leaves fat and carbs. It's easier to pick one of the two and cut that one down really low than it is to limit both of them. PB is a relatively low carb lifestyle but then any time you cut out processed foods and sugar you will be cutting down massively on your carbs. That said some carbs will not kill you so, don't sweat that. Just don't blame insulin for doing one of its jobs. You need it.
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                        • #13
                          Wow, great job Mal!
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                          • #14
                            I have no clue what to think now.
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                            • #15
                              Don't overthink it. Stick to eating primally. Eat when hungry, stop when satiated. Repeat.
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