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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kvalhion View Post
    Look at a history of your posts and theres no substance whatsoever. All you do is troll and call people cult members without anything to actually base an argument from other than insults. You'd think you would have something better to do.

    Oh well, you can go back to base and report to PETA that you did your best.
    Wow, your first post and it's dedicated to calling me a troll. I am honoured. The leaders at Weston A Price must be sending in new recruits to try and discredit the latest news.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
      On the contrary I think 90% of the posters on here are trolls. You have to be a real brainwashed nutcase to think that bacon is better for you than fruit for example.
      Hi Adrian -I'm just wondering exactly what diet do YOU personally recommend? I mean this in a sincere way. It seems from your posts that you are not vegan.

      I pesonally don't think bacon is better than fruit and that some people go overboard in their bacon worship. However, it's tasty and in weight loss mode, I can see using more bacon than fruit as a temporary measure. Of course, those with diabetic issue have to really watch the fruit.

      Mark certainly doesn't advocate overdosing on bacon: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/bacon/
      Here he says a diet of steak and bacon is not going to lead to good health http://www.marksdailyapple.com/are-t...ny-good-carbs/
      Here he calls it a sensible vice -http://www.marksdailyapple.com/sensible-vices/

      Then here he says there is no such thing as too much bacon or butter http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-much-is-too-much/ -not sure if that was a joke or what but its seems out of line with his other posts.
      Last edited by AuntPol; 10-19-2010, 08:45 AM.
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      • #18
        I don't see the mention of "grains" (wheat, barely, souguhm etc) anywhere in that article.

        I do see that they used a microscope to look at a grain (as in small partical) of whatever plant they found.

        I don't see anything that would discredit paleo or primal.

        I am not sure why they added the cooking bit. They could have fermented the starch just as easily as cooking it.
        Last edited by chima_p; 10-19-2010, 08:52 AM.
        Don't be a paleotard...

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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        • #19
          Originally posted by AuntPol View Post
          Hi Adrian -I'm just wondering exactly what diet do YOU personally recommend? .
          Balance. I eat omega 3 eggs, organic fruits, greens, avocados, walnuts, extra virgin olive oil, sardines, wild caught alaskan salmon, organic chicken twice a week, grass fed beef once a week, black beans, legumes, brown rice, sweet potato, quinoa, organic tofu once a week, a glass of red wine a few times a week. No processed meat, minimum saturated fats, no refined sugars, no white carbs, no pop, no fruit juices, no chips.

          I get the sense that a lot of what Marks says in PB is distorted on this forum by people with either low comprehension and intelligence or their own agenda.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
            minimum saturated fats
            No wonder you come off a bit prickish.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by chima_p View Post
              I don't see the mention of "grains" (wheat, barely, souguhm etc) anywhere in that article.
              Keep telling yourself that enough times and it might even become true.

              Powerful microscopes discovered traces of starch grains on grinding stones recovered from archaeological sites in Italy, Russia and the Czech Republic.
              Until about 12,000 years ago grains were thought to have been largely ignored by Stone Age humans, at least in part because they were difficult to process.
              But the stones' wear patterns suggest they were used for grinding roots and grains in a manner similar to a pestle 18,000 years before that, according to Dr Anna Revedin and colleagues.
              Dr Revedin, of the Italian Institute of Prehistory and Early History in Florence, said: 'The discovery of grain and plant residues on grinding stones at the three sites suggests plant-based food processing, and possibly flour production, was common and widespread across Europe at least 30,000 years ago.'
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...just-meat.html

              Italian Institute of Prehistory? Definitely sounds like a front for "Big Ag". Or, or it is possible that "Big Ag" found out about the research and actually planted the flour on the instruments! Those devious SOBs. I bet they have training camps out in Iowa, where they are recruiting people to steal your bacon! Al Cornaeda is the new enemy. They must be stopped!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
                Keep telling yourself that enough times and it might even become true.
                I already replied to one of your troll posts elsewhere, but just so we're clear there's a difference between a "grain" like wheat, corn and soy and a "starch grain" like roots and tubers that are mentioned in the original PNAS article.
                http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...93107.abstract

                And until the definitions change, I'll keep telling myself that there is a difference. I'm one of the lucky one's who can eat grains with almost no drawbacks. I just cut them out, and limited my fruit intake, to make more room for that Healthy Bacon Fat.
                Last edited by barryman9000; 10-19-2010, 10:21 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by barryman9000 View Post
                  And until the definitions change,
                  Sure, define it however it suits you. That's what cult members usually do. I don't like the definition the way it is, so I will change it. FAIL.

                  But the stones' wear patterns suggest they were used for grinding roots and grains in a manner similar to a pestle 18,000 years before that, according to Dr Anna Revedin and colleagues.
                  'The discovery of grain and plant residues on grinding stones at the three sites suggests plant-based food processing, and possibly flour production, was common and widespread across Europe at least 30,000 years ago.'
                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...just-meat.html

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
                    Balance. I eat omega 3 eggs, organic fruits, greens, avocados, walnuts, extra virgin olive oil, sardines, wild caught alaskan salmon, organic chicken twice a week, grass fed beef once a week, black beans, legumes, brown rice, sweet potato, quinoa, organic tofu once a week, a glass of red wine a few times a week. No processed meat, minimum saturated fats, no refined sugars, no white carbs, no pop, no fruit juices, no chips.

                    I get the sense that a lot of what Marks says in PB is distorted on this forum by people with either low comprehension and intelligence or their own agenda.
                    Why minimal saturated fats? Genuine question.
                    "My mom made two dishes: Take it or Leave it." -- Stephen Wright, comedian

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                    • #25
                      Melissa McEwen at Hunt Gather Love did an excellent breakdown on this.

                      http://huntgatherlove.com/content/fu...ple-eat-grains

                      Also on the media coverage...

                      http://www.huntgatherlove.com/conten...media-bullshit

                      Quoted from the first link:

                      Of the nine species mentioned, one is a seed, the rest are roots and rhizomes.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
                        Sure, define it however it suits you. That's what cult members usually do. I don't like the definition the way it is, so I will change it. FAIL.
                        I didn't define anything, nor did I change any definition. I was referring to the biological definition of Amyloplast "starch grains." http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/educat.../glossary.html

                        I'm pretty sure I'm picking on someone who has a severe reading and comprehension disability, so I have to apologize... I meant no offense, and that wasn't my intention.

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                        • #27
                          in all the posts you make about this you keep posting a link to the same article over and over, and yet provide no other evidence.

                          do you have only one source of info to back up your argument?
                          (a story which has been ripped apart numerous times now)

                          or are you going to keep listening to one source of info like....omg....a cult!

                          do you have any facts which support your claim that we are all wrong and that grains (as in wheat or oats etc. not as in starch sources such as roots or potatoes) are healthy and disprove the claims we make about grains such as wheat?
                          Last edited by Vozz; 10-19-2010, 01:57 PM.
                          We need to have a global discussion about the epidemic of donut murder

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
                            Balance. I eat omega 3 eggs, organic fruits, greens, avocados, walnuts, extra virgin olive oil, sardines, wild caught alaskan salmon, organic chicken twice a week, grass fed beef once a week, black beans, legumes, brown rice, sweet potato, quinoa, organic tofu once a week, a glass of red wine a few times a week. No processed meat, minimum saturated fats, no refined sugars, no white carbs, no pop, no fruit juices, no chips.

                            I get the sense that a lot of what Marks says in PB is distorted on this forum by people with either low comprehension and intelligence or their own agenda.
                            Your food choices are not all that different than what PB recommends, other than including some foods such as legumes, black beans, tofu. If that works for you, that's great. Not sure why you feel its necessary to post in such a condescending manner.

                            Try some magnesium citrate or coconut milk. Get regular and stay regular and it may do wonders for you.
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                            • #29
                              I think it is very strange that some people would spend so much time on a Forum that is not suited to them. AdrianP ?? why are you here? Find a group that you can share you positive thoughts with, don't spend your time and mind on negative dialog, it is bad for your soul.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by AdrianP View Post
                                Sure, define it however it suits you. That's what cult members usually do
                                This is called projecting. Based on your past posts, it is very clear that it is you who resemble a cult member, lack knowledge/wisdom, have low self esteem, and is incapable of having adult conservations.

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