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  • #16
    Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
    I get the ones just in plain water and avoid any of the sauces that they put them in. Even when they say olive oil in a lot of stuff if you read label it's some olive oil mixed in with some kind of corn, soy, or other vegetable oil. I'd rather go with 10W40.
    I will buy you a can of sardines in olive oil and a can of 10w40 if you really feel that way and are willing to record the outcome.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
      I get the ones just in plain water and avoid any of the sauces that they put them in. Even when they say olive oil in a lot of stuff if you read label it's some olive oil mixed in with some kind of corn, soy, or other vegetable oil. I'd rather go with 10W40.
      i actually do that same when i can. i would rather add my own oil after.

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      • #18
        I eat sardines everyday for lunch. The best, hands down, is the Matiz Gallego brand from Spain. You can find them at Whole Foods.

        Here you go: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/301739

        For all of you who don't like sardines - try them with some salad greens, half a julienned apple and a few tablespoons of apple cider vinegart and olive oil. The ACV cuts the fishiness of the sardines.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by iammysticyte View Post
          i actually do that same when i can. i would rather add my own oil after.
          Of course, traditionally they're supposed to marinade in the olive oil over time. That's what the makers intend. There's an interesting Elizabeth David piece where she talks with a French canner. I think it's in An Omelette and a Glass of Wine - it's reprinted in one of her books anyway.

          http://www.amazon.com/Omelette-Glass...dp/1599218607/

          Those people take it seriously. She said the canner told her how disappointed he was to be served his own sardines in an English cafe, because the toast was cold and the sardines were hot - quelle horreur!.

          He also took some trouble to choose olive oil he was satisfied with.

          Someone like that is not going to sneak in soya oil. You might get it with cheap and untrustworthy brands - as with most things you get what you pay for - but not with good canners unless things have changed very much in places like France since Miss David was writing.

          Now I'll believe almost anything of the Anglo-Saxon world - and I think in some respects the U.S. is worse than Britain or Australasia - there's this ethos where what is supposed to matter is merely making money and not making something to be proud of. If you ever hear the words "unit cost" that's the sort of people you're dealing with.

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          • #20
            so I emailed Bumble Bee and this is what they sent me:

            Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to respond to your concerns regarding our Bumble Bee products.

            Our Brunswick Sardines are canned in Aluminum with no enamel liner and therefore do not contain the BPA. More information regarding BPA is shown below:

            Bisphenol-A is a major building block of epoxy resins. Although original quantities are used in the reaction process, traces of unreacted Bisphenol-A can be found in canned foods packed in containers lined with epoxy coating systems to levels in the parts per billion. We have been in contact with our can manufacturers and they indicate that in agreement with The Food and Drug Administration, the levels of Bisphenol-A present in canned food poses no threat to human health. If you wish to inquire further into Bisphenol-A, the following website provides comprehensive information and links to the US Food and Drug Administration website as well as information regarding products for food-contact applications made from Bisphenol-A meeting health and safety regulatory guidelines throughout the world.

            http://www.bisphenol-a.org

            Thank you again for your interest in our products.

            Thank you,
            Bumble Bee Consumer Affairs

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            • #21
              Thanks for writing to Bumblebee--that is good to hear!

              Brisling sardines are expensive, but are my favorite because they are so small. They also seem less fishy.

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              • #22
                Brunswick do sardines in olive oil and only that. It's not cut with soya or sunflower or anything else..... and they're yum!
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                • #23
                  Well, the news from King Oscar isn't great; I can't say I'm onboard with the sardines being cooked in a lacquer lined can...


                  Thank you for your questions to King Oscar. We always appreciate to hear
                  from our valued customers.

                  The material in the can is aluminum, and it is protected with a coating
                  of lacquer inside the can. All food contact materials used by King Oscar
                  are in full compliance with existing law requirements (e.g. FDA, EU
                  regulations).

                  The Sardines are cooked in the cans during sterilization.


                  --------------------------------------------------------
                  Best regards,
                  Torgeir Heggelund
                  King Oscar
                  P.O box 987 Sentrum
                  N-5808 Bergen
                  Norway
                  Phone: (+47) 55 96 70 00
                  Telefax (+47) 55 96 76 99

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                  • #24
                    Lacquer? That doesn't sound so great. I quick Google led me to this:

                    From Environ Health Perspect. 1995 June; 103(6): 608612.
                    PMCID: PMC1519121
                    Xenoestrogens released from lacquer coatings in food cans.
                    We present data showing that some foods preserved in lacquer-coated cans and the liquid in them may acquire estrogenic activity. Hormonal activity was measured using the E-screen bioassay. The biological activity of vegetables packed in cans was a result of plastic monomers used in manufacturing the containers. The plastic monomer bisphenol-A, identified by mass spectrometry, was found as a contaminant not only in the liquid of the preserved vegetables but also in water autoclaved in the cans. The amount of bisphenol-A in the extracts accounted for all the hormonal activity measured. Although the presence of other xenoestrogens cannot be ruled out, it is apparent that all estrogenic activity in these cans was due to bisphenol-A leached from the lacquer coating. The use of plastic in food-packaging materials may require closer scrutiny to determine whether epoxy resins and polycarbonates contribute to human exposure to xenoestrogens.
                    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1519121

                    Too bad, King Oscar is my favorite brand.
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                    • #25
                      I received this reply from King Oscar after expressing my displeasure with the lacquer coating:

                      All aluminium containers are coated with a lacquer that is protecting the content from the aluminium (or metal) in the can.
                      Metal containers without protecting coating/lacquer will contaminate food content.

                      King Oscar buy cans from manufacturer in Canada and Europe.
                      All internal lacquers in our cans are formulated according to the food contact requirements from the FDA (CFR 21, 175.300) and relevant European legislation (i.e. Reg. 1895/2004 and Reg. 1895/2005).
                      Lacquers are formulated without any use of epoxy resins such as BADGE, BFDGE and NOGE. No Bisphenol A is used in the formulation of the lacquers and their raw materials.

                      Does anyone have relevant info about the safety of this type of coating?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by codeguy
                        In the US, you can buy Brunswick Sardines in Water, No Salt Added. This is one of my favorites. I can put hot sauce on them and not be adding it to sardines already loaded with salt.
                        You can buy those in Australia too. They are the ones I eat.
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                        • #27
                          All aluminum sardine cans have to have a lacquer coating so that they can be fabricated and to protect the metal from oxidizing when exposed to the packed product. Water and salt will slowly corrode and create holes in the can over time without a good coating.

                          Currently, all of the US produced sardine cans have BPA containing lacquers. However the amount of BPA that could be extracted is very very low. BB and Conners have been working to replace this coating and it may happen soon but there is no current legislative requirement to remove the BPA coatings.

                          This will only change by contacting the company and expressing your views and opinions as consumers. It is a little disturbing that the PR group from BB is saying that there is no coating.

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                          • #28
                            hmmm ill keep eating sardines, canned mackerel, canned clams and live on the edge
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                            • #29
                              i LOVE sardines and all fish in general, but can only eat small ones due to mercury toxicity. i eat pickled herring, which comes in glass jars, so no worry about toxic linings or aluminum. but i do eat lots of canned sardines too, and i'm glad i read this post. that sucks about the aluminum and bpa. i don't need more heavy metals or toxins. i wish we could buy fresh raw sardines here in the US. in japan i had raw sardines and they were yummy. i do eat wild alaskan salmon that i order from alaska too. although im' really not supposed to eat anything from the ocean, including seaweeds and sea salt. chlorella, etc. i've heard from a few people that EVERYTHING is contaminated. oh well, what can we do...........

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pucca View Post
                                i wish we could buy fresh raw sardines here in the US.
                                Try an Asian grocery store. I went to H-mart today and they had fresh, whole, wild-caught sardines there...
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