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    yes I know all about lectins. But I've been wondering of late why is bread suddenly so all consuming bad. Yes we've been eating it for thousands of years and yet we havent been having all these modern diseases for thousands of years. add sugar into the mix and we've definitely got a problem but it strikes me that sugar doesnt get quite a bad rap.

    Could it be something about the way grains are grown and then stored that are making them so bad in our guts. what sort of crap is sprayed on them as they grow, or to keep them preserved. Could it be grains added with sugar are the real cause of our unhappy digestive systems.

    I dont know the answers. But I do keep finding myself back at the point of well we have been eating bread for an awful long time and regardless of what i know about lectins, I still really enjoy the odd piece of bread (as long as it is absolutely smothered in butter)

  • #2
    what diseases are present in the world now that did not exist before?

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    • #3
      well i dont know for sure but I'd say a lot of these autoimmune diseases would be a good start.

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      • #4
        but perhaps it is more the prevalence of disease that is the issue

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        • #5
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          • #6
            The introduction of grains brought about the 'neolithic' diseases. There was lots of stuff that now has different names in the 1500s, even during the time of Jesus. So, yes we have been eating grains for thousands of years, but those diseases did exist, just went by different names.

            Apoplexy - Paralysis due to stroke
            Bloody flux - Bloody stools
            Bright's disease - Chronic inflammatory disease of kidneys
            Cachexy - Malnutrition

            Cacogastric - Upset stomach
            Costiveness - Constipation
            Crop sickness - Overextended stomach
            Dropsy - Edema (swelling), often caused by kidney or heart disease

            Dyscrasy - An abnormal body condition
            Dysentery - Inflammation of colon with frequent passage of mucous and blood
            Dysorexy - Reduced appetite
            Dyspepsia - Indigestion and heartburn. Heart attack symptoms
            Dysury - Difficulty in urination

            Edema - Nephrosis; swelling of tissues

            Edema of lungs - Congestive heart failure, a form of dropsy
            Enterocolitis - Inflammation of the intestines

            Enteritis - Inflations of the bowels

            read more here

            Here is a decent 'paleo primer' It explains the advent of modern disease pretty well without bogging it down too much.
            http://paleolithicdiet.wordpress.com...-introduction/
            Last edited by NutMeg; 10-01-2010, 12:03 PM.
            Meghan

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Suse View Post
              ...but it strikes me that sugar doesnt get quite a bad rap.
              That isn't at all true. In fact, it's just the opposite, sugar is the one thing every form of diet (i.e. low-carb, high-carb, low-fat, and everything in between) agree is bad in any processed form.
              You don't pay your bills with counterfeit money, so why feed your body with counterfeit food?

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              • #8
                I kind of get what the OP is getting at. The prevalence of these diseases has skyrocketed although people have been eating grains for while now. I think the way they are processed and treated makes a big difference (like sourdough or fermenting practices) and the fact that wheat has been hybridised a few times probably hasn't helped. They also weren't a staple of the diet.

                In a person who is otherwise healthy (especially with digestion and immune system) I can't see properly treated grains creating havoc. Especially if it is wheat or gluten free and an occasional indulgence. All that said, grains aren't an optimal food.
                "My mom made two dishes: Take it or Leave it." -- Stephen Wright, comedian

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by muaythaimike View Post
                  I kind of get what the OP is getting at. The prevalence of these diseases has skyrocketed although people have been eating grains for while now. I think the way they are processed and treated makes a big difference (like sourdough or fermenting practices) and the fact that wheat has been hybridised a few times probably hasn't helped. They also weren't a staple of the diet.

                  In a person who is otherwise healthy (especially with digestion and immune system) I can't see properly treated grains creating havoc. Especially if it is wheat or gluten free and an occasional indulgence. All that said, grains aren't an optimal food.
                  yes you've hit it on the nail mike. and I do agree that grains arent optimal so please dont anyone get me wrong on that. Is it the quantity of grains we are eating... I just find it hard to believe that for 10000 years we've been eating grains and no one has thought uh oh, this aint good.

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                  • #10
                    It's easy to imagine there's more than one thing in play here - grains + processing + sugar + sedentary + bisphenol A + ... is worse than grains. I can even imagine (divert eyes to avoid heresy!) our distant paleo ancestors might have occasionally made a nice gruel, and maybe some of us are even a bit adapted to that sort of thing. But only maybe, a little bit, if it's gruel. But for most people living today, and trying to eat healthy things that make us feel better, and look better, and live longer, not eating grains seems a smart gambit, and it works. Same goes for sugar IMO, and if you don't think it's stressed as much around here, I think it's not because anyone disagrees, but because nobody disagrees - grainblaming is more surprising and thus sensational.

                    There's also a lot more CW resistance that needs overcoming - if you tell your friends you're on a no-sugar diet, nobody's going to express concern that you're not getting enough healthy sugars; no-grain will be a whole other conversation.

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                    • #11
                      Someone told me that 200 years ago there were only 3 wheat varieties. Now apparently there are more than 25,000.
                      activate the rhythm, the rhythm that has always been within

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                      • #12
                        A big problem is that people aren't getting proper nutrition from fresh vegetables and fruit (in that order) to begin with. You meet your nutrient needs, and you can handle modern crap a whole lot better.
                        You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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                        • #13
                          I've wondered the same thing the OP has: why are cases of gluten intolerance/celiac--not to mention other food allergies--skyrocketing? I'd agree w/grumpy caveman.
                          But I do wonder if there's some new mold inhibitor or wheat hybrid or other issue underlying this and making it worse. Maybe we'll hear about it in a few decades.

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                          • #14
                            Robb Wolf puts it in layman's terms in his new book "The Paleo Solution". Plants like animals have evolved to survive. Blueberries for instance offer up a give a little benefit a little scenario - You eat them and get some good nutrients then (think pre plumbing or of wild animals) you deposit the seeds in a nice fertilized package for it to grow another plant. Poison ivy on the other hand has developed oils that teach predators not to consume them. Grains are much the same way in that they have a defense mechanism that irritates the stomach and causes inflammation. Despite that we've been sold on them as a "healthy" food because they most certainly are a profitable food for big agriculture. I have a saying - If you follow the money you'll usually find the truth.
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                            • #15
                              I wouldn't exactly point to the last few hundred years as a prime example of good health. Bread has been the food of the poor and the poor have been withered and sickly. Not necessarily causation, but certainly a falsification of the notion that bread is benign so long as it is other strains. There is plenty of evidence that it is very harmful so what more needs to be said? There is also the anthropological evidence of agrarians being much smaller and sicker than hunter-gatherers. The stuff isn't good for you. Maybe it has got worse, maybe it hasn't. Was it ever very healthy? And how healthy can humans become when they have access to foods whichever foods they want instead of being limited by climate and local economy?o Is any epidemiology or archeology relevant as to what optimal foods are, or just able to demonstrate what doesn't fucking kill you dead?
                              Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

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