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  • Full Carnivore?

    I want to spend a day or two going all meat just to try it out, but I can't really picture how to fill out a day that way. Eggs, bacon, tuna, beef, and a handful of my mini-quiches is what I was thinking for tomorrow, but I think that only hits around 1800 calories.

    A question for those of you who go no carb: What's a typical day's worth of meals look like for you?
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  • #2
    I've never done it, but I agree it would be an interesting thing to try.

    It might be useful to read Stefansson's The Fat of the Land first. This is the book where he describes how he did just this. Someone's put it online:

    http://www.zerocarbage.com/library/FOTL.pdf

    The important thing is to get enough fat.

    One thing you could do is prepare by making some pemmican and have that for at least some of the meals. It seems it was really a travel food (and a stand-by for hard times) in the main - apart from anything else, making it was too labour-intensive a process for it to be made for everyday use. But no reason we shouldn't use it at other times. If you make it right it has the right proportions of fat to lean and, because it contains dried not cooked meat, should be richer in nutrients that aren't so heat-stable.

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    • #3
      Advice from Stefannson: Eat the fat then the lean. Eat the fat until you are sick of eating fat and then start on the actual meat and eat that until you feel satiated.

      Pick something very fatty (say a rack of ribs weighing well over a kilo). Don't worry about not eating it all, you can always throw it in the fridge. In fact, cook more than you expect to eat so you can get a feel for eating a meat only meal.

      I would avoid bacon because if you go no carb you may lose a lot of water weight (and with them your K and Na) and most bacon is full of Na so you end up with a K to Na imbalance. At least, it happened to me after a week of no carb and lots of bacon and eggs.

      Big steaks (with a strip of fat up the side) are good.

      Go for fatty cuts like forequarter chops (I get lamb forequarter chops very cheap and they can be very fatty).
      A steak a day keeps the doctor away

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      • #4
        Keep it simple. Just eat about 1.5-2lbs of beef. Eat it all in one meal or 3.

        I usually eat 2lbs of ground beef, 2 meals. So convenient and satisfying.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mikeha View Post
          Keep it simple. Just eat about 1.5-2lbs of beef. Eat it all in one meal or 3.

          I usually eat 2lbs of ground beef, 2 meals. So convenient and satisfying.
          This is pretty much exactly what I eat.

          Ground beef, seared. Sometime I mix in some chopped bacon. Eggs are also a big part of my diet.

          An average meal might be 3-6 eggs, scrambled with half a pound or so of beef. This can be at anytime - I try to avoid thinking of food as "breakfast" or "dinner" - its just fuel my body needs to keep going.

          Every so often I'll mix in some fish/poultry/other cuts, but ground beef is just too convenient - its cheap, I buy it in bulk and section off portions, freeze, and then just defrost as the week progresses.

          Oh yeah - one other thing I've started recently - I go to the supermarket and ask for all the fat they would throw away. Usually they are more than happy to give me a few pounds, for free. I also freeze these, and then when cooking, Ill chop it up and mix it in with the beef. DELICIOUS.
          Last edited by doghead; 09-30-2010, 08:35 AM.
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          • #6
            From what I've read, organ meats are an essential component as well.

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            • #7
              You will want about 75% fat and indeed brains, bone broth and organs to get all of the required nutrients. Possibly potassium chloride as seasoning since it appears that the main difficulty is potassium to sodium ratios. The fat should not be lard, chicken fat or anything with a significant amount of omega 6. Beef fat is best and brains are essential. Don't just eat meat without mind to nutrition or fat/protein ratio. That would be daft since too much protein and not enough fat is extremely unhealthy.

              This may serve as a guide http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2
              Last edited by Stabby; 09-30-2010, 09:51 AM.
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              • #8
                "Don't just eat meat without mind to nutrition or fat/protein ratio. That would be daft since too much protein and not enough fat is extremely unhealthy".


                So when you brown your ground beef, don't drain all that good fat.

                I remember back in the low fat days when not only would I drain it, I'd rinse it in very how water to get as much fat off as I could!

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                • #9
                  I know, me too. All of that waste! *cry*. These days I buy straight grassfed beef fat and eat it with a spoon.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                    I know, me too. All of that waste! *cry*. These days I buy straight grassfed beef fat and eat it with a spoon.
                    I rendered some grassfed beef fat a while ago and, by itself, it tastes like wax. Melted and mixed with salt it's ok, but still pretty mild in flavor. Am I missing something?

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                    • #11
                      Salt definitely helps. I never said I ate it for flavor.
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                      • #12
                        i love my all meat days (maybe some greens) until recently i read that the thyroid needs a certain amt. of carbs to function properly. any truth to this? some people have reported hypothyroid symptoms after being vlc. i've added more carbs in and honestly feel kinda crummy. the only issue i had when going vlc/zc was weird muscle twitches. overall i can say that i feel my best (mentally and physically) w vlc.
                        Red meat is not bad for you. Now blue-green meat, that's bad for you! ~Tommy Smothers

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                        • #13
                          I've done carnivore in the past and sometimes now when i just don't happen to eat any thing else besides meat. One thing you do need to remember is to get in your fat to stay active. No matter how much protein you take in, you will feel it if your fat goes too low. A quick pick me up is some grass fed beef tallow or some coconut oil. Presently, I'm more very low carb more so than carnivore purely by choice of what I prefer to eat. I usually do two meals a day weekdays and 3 on the weekends, so no morning meal except for the weekends.

                          Typical Meals:

                          Meal 1:
                          This one is a staple in our home for the wife and me.
                          2lbs ground beef with salt a pepper, Currently our farmer is having the meat made to around 80%
                          For every pound of ground we usually add 1/2C of beef tallow
                          Cooked over medium heat in our cast iron pan

                          Some variations:
                          Add organic tomato paste and can of water, boil down to thicken
                          Add fresh chopped up peppers and tomatoes
                          Add crushed red pepper
                          Add oregeno, cumin, pepper, sage for a breakfast sausage taste
                          Add grated grass fed liver usually a 1/4 lb to a Lb

                          Meal 2:
                          Roast: Chuck, Shoulder 3-4lb, usually eat at least 2 lbs at one sitting
                          Add salt and pepper to taste
                          Slow cook in the crock pot overnight for 10hrs

                          I've actually eaten one of these in one sitting. Make sure to eat all the fat and drink the juice, which is the best part.

                          Variations:
                          Add veggies
                          Make a stew by adding 5-6C of a homemade beef broth from grass fed beef bones

                          Meal 3:
                          Whole free range chicken
                          salt and pepper
                          Throw in the crock pot with enough water to cover and cook for 10hrs

                          Variations:
                          Add veggies
                          Add more spices: Some times I just add a bunch of random spices

                          Meal 4:
                          6-8 Free range eggs
                          3-4 TBS of Coconut oil
                          Scrambled, over easy, sunny side up
                          Salt, pepper, Tabasco

                          Meal 5:
                          Wild Caught Salmon 1-2lbs
                          baked in coconut oil(again drink the juice from baking), grilled in the cast iron, grilled on the pit

                          Meal 6:
                          Grass fed beef fajitas 1-2lbs grilled on the pit
                          Salt and pepper

                          Meal 7:
                          Grass fed Brisket 1-2lbs, grilled on the pit or cooked in the oven
                          Beef Sausage 1lb


                          Snacks:
                          hard boiled eggs, Beef jerky, dry sausage, pemmican, coconut oil

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                          • #14
                            You will want about 75% fat and indeed brains, bone broth and organs to get all of the required nutrients
                            Stabby, I can you expand on what unique nutrients brain contains? My organ intake is currently liver and heart and I'm keen to ensure I'm not missing anything vital. (I'm trying to eat kidney but it's the one thing that I find hard to stomach).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shannon View Post
                              i love my all meat days (maybe some greens) until recently i read that the thyroid needs a certain amt. of carbs to function properly. any truth to this? some people have reported hypothyroid symptoms after being vlc. i've added more carbs in and honestly feel kinda crummy. the only issue i had when going vlc/zc was weird muscle twitches. overall i can say that i feel my best (mentally and physically) w vlc.
                              The muscle twitches go away the longer you are VLC/ZC. It's just your body adapting.
                              - If it was cute and cuddly at some point, eat it. Ignore everything else. -

                              - Food is first, and foremost, nothing more than fuel. -

                              - The body is animal. The mind, however, is not. -

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