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  • How to improve bone and teeth health?

    I'm new to paleo (been eating SAD my whole life) and want to know if there is some things I can do to improve my bones and teeth. I've had problems with cavities ever since I was like 9 or 10 yrs old and brush regularly. I've always been thin boned but never fractured easily until recently(caught a light knee swimming and an elbow during basketball both in the ribs).. I guess the years of SAD have finally caught up with me. I'd really like to believe I can reverse this damage or at least slow the deterioration down(I'm 31). I've also heard teeth can heal themselves! Wth I wish I'd have known about this primal stuff 20 yrs ago I'm actually pissed at the establishment.. this stuff should be taught in school.

    Credit to John Durant with his spot on the Colbert Report for opening my eyes to this way of living. Also this forum looks to be a friggin goldmine to someone like me. I'll be reading it for weeks

    * - Wanted to add that paleo eating has solved my lifelong problem of stomach problems with being bloated and sharp pains which as far as I know was grains getting stuck in my intestines. Again why aren't we taught this in school!!!!!!
    Last edited by Unclepauly; 09-25-2010, 10:36 PM.

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    I've always had bad teeth. Have so many crowns I've told the kids to recover the gold before I'm cremated. Since going grain and sugar free have had no more problems. Only a year so far, but hopeful of a real turn around here
    Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

    Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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    • #3
      http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Tooth-Dec.../dp/1434810607

      Rami Nagel's plan combines AV's raw primal diet with WAP. It's not paleo as it contains dairy (butter and cream).

      Also be sure to check out the work of Melvin Page DDS on body chemistry and bone/tooth health. I was a nutritional student of the DDS who ran Page's clinic. He (not Page) advocated a raw primal diet as laid out by AV as well with a few modifications depending on your particular body chemistry. Page was not an advocate of dairy except butter as he found it imbalancing to the system. Goat dairy was better and more alkaline.

      His books are available from Price-Pottenger here:
      http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/advanced...a757&x=12&y=10
      Last edited by Primallady; 09-25-2010, 11:40 PM.

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      • #4
        Vitamin D is essential for the body to absorb calcium, and is absolutely essential for bone health, far better than osteoporosis drugs such as Boniva. Take 1,000 units per 25 lbs of body weight.

        Also take 1 tablespoon a day of this vital nutrient:
        http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php
        We add this among other things to our daily smoothie.

        Grizz

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        • #5
          Vitamin D
          sigpicGustofson on Health - " I eat bacon, a whole damn plate!"

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          • #6
            Yup, optimal vitamin D, lots of veggies for acid/base balance, and possibly also magnesium depending on your food intake.

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            • #7
              I was told as a child in the 50's that sugar was bad for the teeth. I think even modern CW agrees with this.

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              • #8
                The important nutrients for building bone matrix are D, K, zinc, magnesium and calcium. Because optimal levels of D increase calcium absorption significantly, it seems that high calcium diets and calcium supplements may not be necessary.

                http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/20...vitamin-d.html

                On a paleo/primal diet, most will need to supplement magnesium. The following google bookmark 'list' is a compilation of relevant magnesium posts:
                https://www.google.com/bookmarks/l#!threadID=G0qBmyU74r_o%2FBDRcUZAoQ0JqQqbIl

                Vitamin K:
                http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/20...2-reprint.html
                http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...-coronary.html
                http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...ent-heart.html
                http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...etabolism.html

                My linked vitamin d document (below), has some good information about vitamin d levels, dosing, testing and has some decent references.

                While many will need 1000 IU per 25lbs body weight to maintain optimal D levels, this is not true across the board. Some will need much less; some will need much more. It's best to test. A home 'finger stick' test is available for $65. (see the doc in my sig line).

                I'd be interested in reading any scientifically sound information on diatomaceous earth and the health benefits. So far, I haven't found any and am fairly turned off by the snake oil sales tactics on the websites selling it.


                Good reading for the curious mind:
                * indicates easier to read; less 'jargon'

                American Society for Evolutionary Medicine
                Cholesterol and Health - Chris Masterjohn Cooling Inflammation - Art Ayers, PhD
                Entropy Production
                Evolutionary Medicine Forums
                *Evolutionary Psychiatry - Emily Deans, MD
                *Healthy Skeptic - Challenging mainstream myths about nutrition, health and disease
                *Heartscan - William Davis, MD (cardiologist)
                Hyperlipid - Petro Dobromylskyj, DVM
                *Michael Eades, MD - a critical look at nutritional science
                *Paleo Nutrition - Kurt Harris, MD
                *Perfect Health Diet - Paul Jaminet, PhD (astrophysics) andShou-Ching Shih, PhD (molecular biology)
                *Whole Health Source - Stephan Guyenet, PhD
                *Vitamin D Council - John Cannell, MD (worth signing up for his infrequent newsletters)

                Fitness related:
                *Conditioning Research
                *Mobility Workout of the Day
                Last edited by cillakat; 09-26-2010, 06:25 AM.



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                • #9
                  Dr. Stephen Guyenet at Whole Health Source ( I see Cillakat linked several of his blog posts) did an entire essay on just this question.

                  http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...oth-decay.html
                  Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
                  Current weight: 199
                  Goal: 145

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                  • #10
                    i was told i wouldnt be able to walk without pain about 8 months ago due to osteoporosis... sardines, eggs, butter and sunlight... i understand supplementing vitamin D, but sunlight is your best bet.

                    i have no pain in my bones/joints anywhere, at all anymore, and it took all 8 months(good thing it was summer). also, swimming and weight bearing exercises helped build my bones back up. i can even to kettlebells now, walking lunges etc.... after injuring myself sprinting i am to scared to ever try it again but sticking to primal aspects....SLEEP SUN and good food has seriously performed a miracle on my body/bones!
                    Get on my Level
                    http://malpaz.wordpress.com/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MalPaz View Post
                      i was told i wouldnt be able to walk without pain about 8 months ago due to osteoporosis... sardines, eggs, butter and sunlight... i understand supplementing vitamin D, but sunlight is your best bet.
                      I totally agree.

                      Except that most of the year, in most of the US, and with most jobs being indoors, there just isn't enough sun to maintain optimal D levels.

                      And there is more being written about the finding that after 30-40 or so, it gets more difficult for our bodies to produce D from UV radiation. I definitely ran into that this summer when I was getting purposeful midday exposure twice a week for long periods of time, taking D on non sun days.....and my level dropped 18 points.



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                      • #12
                        Lotta good info on http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/ , about both bones and teeth.

                        You'd probably enjoy reading Weston Price's (a dentist) book too. He talks extensively about dental decay. http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm.../pricetoc.html

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                          ... I'd be interested in reading any scientifically sound information on diatomaceous earth and the health benefits. So far, I haven't found any and am fairly turned off by the snake oil sales tactics on the websites selling it.
                          K,
                          Unfortunately, no medical group is going to do any expensive studies on a natural substance that sells for $1 a lb. That will never happen unless they can patent it, and sell it for obscene profits. All we have are unsolicited testimonials from people who have tried it.

                          We ( Wife & I ) have our own testimonials. In the 9 months we have been using D-E we have seen the following health improvements:
                          1) [ ] Grows hair CHECK I never expected this claim to work out. My once VERY balding head is now full of hair. You have to look closely to see that it is just a little thin. Good enough for me.
                          2) [ ] Grows nails CHECK My toenails were DISGUSTINGLY HORRIBLE, and hardly grew at all. I could go years without trimming my toenails. Now in the last 6 months my toenails are growing normally, needing to be trimmed once a month, and finally look normal.
                          3) My wife's fingernails used to grow very slowly and were brittle. They now grow normally and are tough & strong
                          4) [ ] Helps arthritis CHECK. Wife had a painful knee joint that she was taking glucosomine to no avail. 2 months after starting on D-E her knee pains are GONE.
                          5) Also one surprise benefit not even claimed. Who needs Viagra? Not me anymore. Probably because it lowered my blood pressure from high normal to low normal.
                          Our own experiences are certainly not a scientific study, and are only anecdotal but that is what happened to us, for what it is worth. We bought a 10 lb bag of D-E from Amazon.Com. Beware if shopping around for the best price, be certain it is 100% Food Grade D-E, not pool grade and NOT containing Bentonite [clay].

                          More unsolicited testimonials here:
                          http://www.earthworkshealth.com/huma...stimonials.php

                          Overview here:
                          http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php

                          Per our own experiences this is not snake oil, and at least some of those claims are real, the ones we verified. You might be able to find some scientific studies on "Silica" of which D-E is composed.

                          BTW) I discovered D-E when I was searching for a cure to Scabies. To make a long story short, I contracted Scabies from a sweater I bought at a flea market. I cured my Scabies with a mix of 25% D-E and 75% Grapeseed Oil applied all over my body 2 times a day. I was cured of itching in 1 week, and kept up the treatment for 1 month to kill off any hatchlings.

                          Best of health to all,
                          Grizz
                          Last edited by Grizz; 09-26-2010, 02:06 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Who is the "we" who is verifying claims? Someone selling the product, isn't it? In what way are they verified?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by avocado View Post
                              Who is the "we" who is verifying claims? Someone selling the product, isn't it? In what way are they verified?
                              "We" means my wife & I.
                              I related our own experiences from using D-E in the above thread, and we are not selling anything, and have no interests in D-E other than as customers. Shop around for the best price. We bought ours from Amazon, they had a great deal on a 10 lb bag. BE CAREFUL! Make certain you buy 100% FOOD GRADE DE if you shop around. There are several others being sold that you do not want. Pool Grade and a mix with Bentonite are a NO-NO.

                              Grizz
                              Last edited by Grizz; 09-26-2010, 12:42 PM.

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