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    The Primal Blueprint is not working for me. I'm not sure why I feel compelled to make a post telling everyone; except maybe because I wanted to like it so badly.

    My background is that I started out at 230 lbs as a 5'4" female in 2007. I lost 100 lbs by the end of that year and have maintained it ever since. I lost weight by exercising a LOT and controlling my portions. I didn't eat much in the way of packaged food but I still ate oatmeal, brown rice, whole wheat tortillas, sprouted bread, and lots of fruit and veggies. I have the occasional granola bar or ice cream with candy mixed in.

    I would look forward to my morning 3-7 mile run or hour long weight lifting session. I can't seem to run anymore on PB; my energy is in the toilet. Plus, I now suffer horrible insomnia - I have never been an insomniac before. Also, I have gained 10 lbs. I think that is more the result of the cessation of running than it is a result of PB.

    I wanted Primal Blueprint to work because of the lure of being able to eat 'unlimited' calories as long as I stuck to the plan. To be honest, I got sick of measuring, weighing, and nickel and diming every bit of food I put in my mouth.

    So I've been PB for about a month and all I can think about is having a granola bar or a smidge of ice cream. I can hear you all saying, "Make that part of your 20% then!" Okay, so I guess I have to rationalize my food against a set of rules in addition to weighing it.

    As it turns out, when I sit down to eat, the last thing I want to eat is organ meat or bone marrow or mayonnaise made out of fricking beef fat, for Christ's sake. So the idea of being able to eat unlimited calories is moot if I'm not enjoying the food. When I go to a steakhouse I actually look forward to the bread, not the steak. I like meat, sure, but just not that much. This is clearly not a way of life for me.

    Congratulations to the people who can do this way of eating - I just can't. I know that I'm coming off as harsh but I really don't mean anything negative toward anyone in particular, I am just extremely frustrated with this diet.

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    Your not going all Dr McDougall on us Adrianne are you !! Sounds like youve been 'grainwashed' by the dark side!!

    Come back towards the light! High fat is right!

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    • #3
      then don't do it. it's pretty simple, if it doesn't work for you then do something else. it's only been a month though and i know for me it took awhile to completely get used to eating all the fat and meat and... droooool, sorry where was i? i'm a meat lover, always have been always will be (even when i was vegan) so my answer may not really count. good luck to you whatever you choose;-)
      Red meat is not bad for you. Now blue-green meat, that's bad for you! ~Tommy Smothers

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      • #4
        I wanted Primal Blueprint to work because of the lure of being able to eat 'unlimited' calories as long as I stuck to the plan. To be honest, I got sick of measuring, weighing, and nickel and diming every bit of food I put in my mouth.
        Your history sounds a lot like mine. I started out at 250 lbs and dropped down to 175 by counting calories and running 6-7 miles daily. Then I found MDA and went Primal. I lost another 50 lbs by cutting out my whole grains and most dairy. I think the thing is, you can't eat "unlimited" calories, I don't care what anybody says.

        Keep track of your calories. You don't have to measure, weigh and track every single gram, but a good estimate will help. I still do measure and weigh occasionally just to make sure I'm not being to generous with portions. I guess-timate a lot, but I still have a ballpark figure in my head about how many calories I'm eating. I've just recently gone back to using Fitday because I want to be more strict with myself and start losing again.

        You don't have to eat fat-laden foods if you don't want to. I think it's more about not being afraid of the fat in your food. If your steak has some fat on it, you don't have to cut it off. Enjoy healthy fatty foods when they appeal to you. I think the bigger point of PB is to not be fat-phobic.

        Try tracking your calories for a while, even loosely, until you get the hang of eyeballing it. You do still need to have a calorie deficit. Some here will argue that, but I can tell you from experience that unlimited calories absolutely doesn't work for everyone. And no, you don't have to eat high fat. It just sort of turns out that way for some of us sometimes, and even on "normal" days for us, it would be a "fattening" day for most CW folks.

        That's just my 2 cents. If you want to quit PB you can. Nobody's saying you have to do it. I would encourage you to give it another shot, and maybe go higher protein, moderate fat and moderate to low carb and see how you do.

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        • #5
          It's natural that you would gain weight from stopping your running. Running is a catabolic activity and it lowered your metabolism. Weird isn't it? That running would lower your metabolism, but it does. Why? Because your body feels that it is under duress and must hold onto the calories. So if you ate the same calories after you stopped running it is a double whammy. Lowered metabolism + no calories lost by running. I wish you well in the future, but you should know that it is simple sugars, refined carbs and polyunsaturated oils that cause obesity and the diseases of civilization. You don't have to go zero or low carb to be PB healthy, you just have to cut those things out. Add starches in if you need the energy and the thyroid improvement. After being high carb for many years, you cannot expect that dramatic a shift to happen in 1 month.

          I personally don't believe PB is a miracle weight loss program. Deprivation diets are miracle weight loss programs but they don't have long term success rates. Fasting is a miracle weight loss solution but you have to eat sometime. This is a program designed to not just keep you safe from the diseases of civilization but also to get your hormones working again so you don't escape your weight set point again by becoming insulin and leptin resistant. If you get those under control, you will get back down to your normal set point. Be careful about eating the things that made you overweight in the first place.
          Last edited by BlazeKING; 09-05-2010, 10:33 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Diana Renata View Post
            I think the thing is, you can't eat "unlimited" calories, I don't care what anybody says.
            Thank you for this; I think I needed to hear it from someone outside myself.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlazeKING View Post
              After being high carb for many years, you cannot expect that dramatic a shift to happen in 1 month.
              Well I'll grant that. But I also didn't expect to feel this rotten in the transition. I told my husband 2 days ago that I truly would prefer not to be alive that day. I never have thoughts like that. Over FOOD. Not even when I first had to basically cut my calories in half to lose weight. It has been such a dramatic change in mood/outlook/exercise.

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              • #8
                sugar withdrawal symptoms maybe? anyways, i would personally give it a couple of more weeks. if you still feel like crap, then go eat something else. also, maybe track what you're eating on fitday for a week or so and post it on here - maybe you're eating funky.

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                • #9
                  It is VERY common to have carb flu. Many people complain of being low energy, etc. for a while.

                  You may be the type of person that needs more carbs, especially if you would like to run. Just get them from non-grain sources.

                  And when you go to the steak house, eat the gosh darn roll. It will surely be less that 20% of your meal
                  Meghan

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NutMeg View Post
                    It is VERY common to have carb flu. Many people complain of being low energy, etc. for a while.

                    You may be the type of person that needs more carbs, especially if you would like to run. Just get them from non-grain sources.

                    And when you go to the steak house, eat the gosh darn roll. It will surely be less that 20% of your meal
                    Or even better (to avoid grains) get the baked potato with butter, sour cream and bacon!

                    I feel ya. I was like that before I saw the PB light. Too much cardio and weighing out exact portions for my 6-meals routine. Hated it and hated how I felt doing it. Now on PB, even having done a month of restricting calories to try to lean out a bit, I'm a little low energy/hungry at times, but otherwise feel fine. In fact, after I get over that little hunger hump, I feel great. Can even pound out a good workout on an empty stomach occasionally. But at the same time, the cutting calories is only because of my desire to get to a certain body fat level. I'm doing PB for health. I'm still shocked from realizing how strong and healthy looking my nails are a few weeks ago. Not to mention my skin and overall mood.

                    I agree with DR, you can't eat ad lib and not gain weight. At least not now because you're only 1 month in and you body's still transitioning the change and also still recovering from the CW damage. You need to give your body time to get to the point where it can self-regulate appetite and weight. Also, are you also taking supplements? Low potassium and magnesium may be causing your fatigue. And taking the magnesium at night may help with your sleep.

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                    • #11
                      Give yourself at least eight weeks. You are going through the carb flu now, this is normal. Also, don't run....sprint instead. Stop looking at the scale, body composition is all that matters.

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                      • #12
                        Honestly there is basically no such thing as a paleo diet not working. You may need to tinker with various things (can't really comment more on this without detailed diet/exercise information), but you may also just still be suffering from carb withdrawels. The important thing to note is that there is just NO way that reintroducing grains and legumes is going to improve your health beyond satisfying your current cravings. Grains have low nutritional value and are very potent GI irritants, and both studies and empirical data shows that everyone is better off removing them from their diet.
                        If you still decide to reintroduce them, then none of us here can really do much more than wish you luck.

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                        • #13
                          You might as well face it you're addicted to carbs...

                          Originally posted by Adrianne View Post
                          The Primal Blueprint is not working for me. I'm not sure why I feel compelled to make a post telling everyone; except maybe because I wanted to like it so badly.

                          My background is I started out at 230 lbs as a 5'4" female in 2007. I lost 100 lbs by the end of that year and have maintained it ever since. I lost weight by exercising a LOT and controlling my portions. I didn't eat much in the way of packaged food but I still ate oatmeal, brown rice, whole wheat tortillas, sprouted bread, and lots of fruit and veggies. I have the occasional granola bar or ice cream with candy mixed in.
                          I'm going to be harsh here. You're a full-blown carb addict - and you've got it BAD, sister! This is also going to come across as grumpy because I've just gone my 8th consecutive night without a wink of sleep. It's 'failed' because you WANTED it to fail. You were eating the SWD (that's standard WESTERN diet).
                          I would look forward to my morning 3-7 mile run or hour long weight lifting session. I can't seem to run anymore on PB; my energy is in the toilet.

                          Yes of COURSE it is - classic carb withdrawal symptom! You have no energy because you're not giving your body what it craves (note I said CRAVES, not NEEDS). Of COURSE withdrawal's going to be hard - if you expected this to be a cakewalk, then welcome to reality!
                          It's much the same as the irritability experienced by a smoker as part of nicotine withdrawal, or the shakes experienced by an alcoholic when they're detoxing.

                          Plus, I now suffer horrible insomnia - I have never been an insomniac before.
                          I, too, suffer from insomnia - nothing to do with PB I was suffering with it for months before I began PB.
                          Also, I have gained 10 lbs. I think that is more the result of the cessation of running than it is a result of PB.
                          All part of the carb detox.
                          I wanted Primal Blueprint to work because of the lure of being able to eat 'unlimited' calories as long as I stuck to the plan. To be honest, I got sick of measuring, weighing, and nickel and diming every bit of food I put in my mouth.
                          "Measuring, weighing and, to use your phrase "nickel and diming" have no place in PB; are you really so ignorant as to believe our ancient ancestors had scales - or MONEY?! I don't mean to be unkind, but you don't have the first clue as to what this isabout, do you...? Have you actually READ the book? I've no doubt you've bought it and skimmed through it, but have you actually sat down and READ it?
                          I think I can say NO ONE here weighs anything. The golden rule is simple:- you eat when you're GENUINELY hungry, and stop when you're satiated (NOT stuffed). Some here practice IF (Intermittent Fasting) which Mark advocates. This means they fast from anything between 18 hours (with a 6-hour window for food) and, well, I don't know about here, but I've known folk on other forums who go for as much as 48 hours.
                          So I've been PB for about a month and all I can think about is having a granola bar or a smidge of ice cream. I can hear you all saying, "Make that part of your 20% then!"
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                          I don't think you can; I can't speak for everyone, of course, but you certainly won't catch ME saying that. Grains and sugar have NO PLACE in a primal diet. The whole point of PB (which you don't appear to understand) is you ELIMINATE CARBS COMPLETELY (okay, I'll rephrase that: - you eliminate NON PRIMAL CARBS COMPLETELY!) Not 20%, not 10%, not 5%, not 2%, not even 0.000002% of the time. You have misunderstood; you don't CONSCIOUSLY aim to stick it to it only 80% of the time. You AIM to stick to it 100% of the time, but allow for the fact you're human and you're going to fall off the wagon now and then. The way you're looking at it, it seems to me, is in the context of "Oh I've stuck to the Plan (to use your word) all week - now it's the weekend - LET'S GO CARB CRAZY!!" This isn't a 'plan' - it's a way of eating. This isn't Weight Watchers, or Slimming World, where you can treat yourself with Points and Syns, this is a completely new Way of Life. This is FOR LIFE! If you’re so addicted to carbs ayou cannot POSSIBLY imagine life without them this isn't for you. I quit both - cold turkey. Sure I had withdrawal symptoms but I know now grains and sugar were responsible for my ill-health and I'm NEVER going back to eating them again. EVER! 1 little slip up, with 2 oatcakes, made me so ill, they're gone from my life for good.
                          I'm no saint; yesterday I went into my friend's chocolate and ice-cream shop and she offered me a sample of her new Champagne and Rose truffles (actually made by her son). I took 2. They were delicious but that was it; a little treat. Mark advocates dark chocolate as a treat, okay not dark choc with champers in, but there you go. I didn't suddenly want to consume everything in the shop – why? Because I’ve trained myself NOT to want it!
                          It's not the DIET that has failed, the failure is YOU! You're projecting that failure onto the diet because you don't want to face up to the harsh reality. You NEVER wanted this diet to work in the first place; you weren't prepared to give it 100%, so no wonder you're now throwing up your hands - and throwing in the towel.
                          I don't claim to understand it (just see some of my posts here) but I am fully committed to sticking to it to the best of my ability. [COLOR]

                          Okay, so I guess I have to rationalize my food against a set of rules in addition to weighing it.
                          Eh? Wrong on both counts. You REALLY DON'T get this, do you...? What rules? There is only one rule "What would Grok do/eat...?" Would Grok eat a Domino's Mightily Meaty? Of course not! Would Grok eat a hunk of cow and some plants? Of course he would! I don't see what so difficult about that...
                          I don't understand why you're so obsessed with WEIGHING everything! I'll say it again: - WEIGHING IS NOT PRIMAL!! I don't think kitchen scales (or kitchens for that matter) existed 2 million years ago (or do you believe The Flintstones to be a reality TV show...?)

                          As it turns out, when I sit down to eat, the last thing I want to eat is organ meat or bone marrow or mayonnaise made out of fricking beef fat, for Christ's sake.

                          Eh? I've read the book from cover to cover several times; I must have missed the bit where you're told to eat offal and bones. I'll have to check up on that when I go back upstairs. NO WONDER I feel so crappy at the moment - I'm not eating enough bones! Silly Me! Mayo made from beef fat ...? You're insane! I have a recipe for mayonnaise right here: - 2 ingredients egg yolks and EV olive oil. Nope, no lard. Where are you getting these ridiculous notions from...?

                          So the idea of being able to eat unlimited calories is moot if I'm not enjoying the food. When I go to a steakhouse I actually look forward to the bread, not the steak. I like meat, sure, but just not that much. This is clearly not a way of life for me.
                          [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]No you're not able to eat unlimited calories - you're just changing where those calories come from. Let me give you an example. There are 35g of pure sugar in a can of regular Coke (or 10.6g per 100ml). There's 2.6g of sugar in 100ml of double (heavy) cream. So, in order to consume the same amount of sugar as in the Coke, you'd need to drink 1.35 LITRES of cream! Coke pure carbs, quick insulin rush, slump. Cream 50% fat, zero effect on blood sugar, no insulin release, no high and therefore, no crashing low, either.
                          PB is all about QUALITY over QUANTITY. Okay, so take your granola bar. I don't know what brands you have in the US, but a popular one over here is Nature Valley. There are 200kcals in a standard (42g/1.5oz) bar. Most of that is sugar that will give you a quick fix, then cause your blood glucose to slump again, so you're off looking for your next fix.
                          There are 200kcals in 125g (5oz) of fillet steak - which contains NO CARBS, 35g protein and 2g of fat per 100g. This is why you believe you can eat unlimited calories (you can't by the way). I can eat steak in the morning and eat very little for the rest of the day - it satiates me so much - even more so if I cook it in a cream sauce. Fat is the most satiating of the macronutrients. For breakfast this morning, I had berries, crème fraiche and heavy cream. That was at 4am. All I've had since then is a piece of Nicorette.
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                          Congratulations to the people who can do this way of eating - I just can't. I know that I'm coming off as harsh but I really don't mean anything negative toward anyone in particular, I am just extremely frustrated with this diet.

                          You're frustrated with yourself for being too weak willed to quit the carbs but you're in denial so you're blaming the diet rather than holding your hands up and admitting it. You don't have the tenacity, or strength of character, to quit the carbs, so you're quitting the diet. Your choice, obviously - but you're the one who's gonna suffer for it at the end of the day. You want to be a slave to your blood sugar and insulin forever that is, of course, up to you. I have PCOS; I know how bad my symptoms are if I don't low carb.
                          Typing here so this will actually post.
                          La tristesse durera toujours...

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                          • #14
                            @shrinking_violet- Right On. albeit harsh at times, spot on for everything.

                            Why the Need to run so much? Really? I am a former Half Marathon Runner, and I've never been happier NOT having to log the miles and deal with all the carb cravings. SLOW DOWN. You don't need to punish your body daily to see results. I have seen more results body compostition wise in the last 3 1/2 months primal than in 2 years of 6 days a week strength training and running. Lost another pant size too. I eat once, sometimes three times a day, don't think about it really, don't obsess over my missed pasta and oatmeal. I eat sweet potatoes when I want to run, a real food with real benefits. I don't fart obnoxiously anymore. I don't stink up every room in the house because of all my healthy grains either. and for what it's worth, I have NEVER ate beef marrow or other things that sound disgusting to me either. The money that I spent on supplements and other BS that did nothing for me but make me poorer instead of skinnier, I NOW spend on local grassfed beef, pastured pork and Chicken. sounds to me like you want to be validated for bailing, instead of embracing this. It had never felt like a struggle for me, Strange to embrace it all at first, and horrid carb flu, but man I will tell you that I could NEVER go back. I don't see a reason to. Running ain't all that. if the end reason/result is to be thinner and look better in your clothes, wouldn't you rather do it with a little less effort with greater result? Food for thought.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Adrianne View Post
                              As it turns out, when I sit down to eat, the last thing I want to eat is organ meat or bone marrow or mayonnaise made out of fricking beef fat, for Christ's sake. So the idea of being able to eat unlimited calories is moot if I'm not enjoying the food. When I go to a steakhouse I actually look forward to the bread, not the steak. I like meat, sure, but just not that much. This is clearly not a way of life for me.
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