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    Sorry to beat a dead horse !!! .... I have searched the site but cannot find any info ... regarding number of meals or time between meals ...


    ... I know the idea is to get insulin levels to drop but ... with my adrenal issues, is this just aggravating it - going too long without food ?


    Should I go back to smaller / more frequent ?? I am having a hard time eating enough food at once to carry me over LOL !


    thanks !

    PrimalMom
    Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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    Hi there! I'm currently doing PB with adrenal fatigue (and a host of other annoying hormonal imbalances...), and I can only speak from personal experience.


    For years I ate 5-6 small meals a day to balance insulin, and by doing that I didn't feel hungry or light-headed, which is a sign that glucose wasn't too high. But eventually, with (finally!!) ditching grains and dairy altogether and some supplements (http://www.naturalpathhealthcenter.c...ypage.tpl.html and http://www.futureformulations.com/st...der-tm-p6.html), I only felt the need to eat 3 small meals, then 3 regular sized meals a day.


    I've never heard anything about balancing insulin interfering with adrenal problems, in face quite the opposite. Fix insulin issues - fix most other hormonal issues.


    The point is, with PB you should feel a more acute sense of what your body needs. If you FEEL hungry, EAT!! The idea is not at all to ignore your body's signals in order to behave solely according to a specific eating plan. It's more difficult if you have a pre-existing condition, as I can attest to, but the fact that you have to listen and listen hard doesn't change.


    Best of luck!


    *Note: the supplementation was done with expert supervision.

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      I've gotta ask...is adrenal fatigue something you guys have been diagnosed with, or is it just one of those things you assume you have because you feel generally crappy? Is there an actual test that can tell you "Yes, you have adrenal fatigue."?

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        well, in my case - my doc, an MD, did some bloodwork, including cortisol (adrenal hormone) which was low - he recommended Vit C and B5, which I take, as well as licorice and ginseng .... I am trying to figure out the best nutritional complement - having the thyroid disease as well (hypo) ... so ....


        as far as an actual "test" - adrenal hormone levels can be measured .. .cortisol mainly ... some endocrinologist will do a 24-hr cortisol - others will do saliva testing 4x per day - my MD did blood ... there is a "lab normal" range given the time of day as cortisol is circadian so they just compare to that to see if you are within range ... some mainstream meds do not acknowledge adrenal fatigue and just wait for adrenal failure (Addison's Disease) or overproduction of cortisol (Cushings) but more docs who are progressive are recognizing the slow decline of adrenal fatigue / burn-out ...

        PrimalMom
        Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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          Ahh, so it sounds like it's one of those "where are you in the range of normal" things that are kind of nebulous.

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            Nope - I have PCOS, so I have a lot of other issues and that was just one of the results that showed up on the labs.


            A bit presumptuous, though, to say that we're just crybabies who diagnosed ourselves....

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              I wasn't presuming anything; that's why I asked.

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                L-- you aren't beating a dead horse. Don't worry, I'm sure there are lots of people here who could benefit from your questions.


                First, I ask- are you still going to Ali's forum? If so, I should post to you there because it's difficult to post individually here.


                Second, have you read "Primal Body Primal Mind"? If not, I think you should- you would find lots of valuable info in there re: hormones and such like adrenals/insulin/leptin and so forth.


                When I gave up grains and stuff, I too was able to go longer between meals. It used to be that I'd start feeling stressed if I didn't eat exactly every 3 hours because I'd start to get shakey and irritable (I guess symptoms of unstable blood sugar?) - I'm sure that stressed feeling wasn't good for my stress hormones.


                Anyway, I agree w/ the poster above (wwld) - eat when you're hungry. That is the beauty of eating primally.


                Re: Adrenal testing. I did have the saliva testing (twice) and ACTH stim test and 24 hour cortisol test (to test for Cushings because at one point, I actually was producing a lot of cortisol) - all the "traditional" testing for adrenal fatigue.


                Lots of people think and doctors (as you said L) think adrenal fatigue is hooey, unless you have Addisons. But I can assure them-- those who say it's hooey have never experienced it. It is indeed very real. There is such a thing as a condition somewhere between Cushings and Addisons. Our bodies weren't designed to withstand all this "stress" which comes in many forms. We as humans are very adaptable, but we can only take so much before hormones start to become unbalanced. And the older we get-- especially women who are approaching that 'M' phase, especially have hormones issues to deal with.


                L-- read "Primal Body Primal Mind" - I think you will get a lot out of it.

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                  Hey Ellen - thanks for all that ! I had seen that book mentioned here (probably by you ) and was going to read it so I definitely will !! ... yes I need to get back to Ali's - will go there today and PM you


                  WWLD517 - You have a tough row there with the PCOS - that takes a lot of balancing ... I think my thyroid issues will actually get better with figuring out the adrenals


                  dragonmama - there is some lab work involved but also a lot of symptoms that can be attributed to adrenal fatigue - problem is, they tend to overlap with other hormonal things and also to appear in conjunction with other stuff !

                  PrimalMom
                  Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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                    I'm the first to admit I know nothing about the adrenal gland. I have had dire warnings from a few people that I'm going to "burn them out" with my three cups of coffee a day. (Which I disregard, since I feel great.)


                    I'm going to mentally file this with high blood pressure as a condition which definitely exists but can be manipulated and controlled with proper diet and exercise. Would you say that's fairly accurate?

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                      I think that there are a few of us here that can attest to having real adrenal fatigue issues or what I personally consider a 'metabolic crash', which is what I think my body has gone through after some pretty relentless stress for three years that I am trying to extricate myself from, exacerbated by lack of sleep and not enough nutrition.


                      PrimalMom, I started taking adrenal cortex supplement by nutricology recently, in the morning and afternoon, and for the most part the 'dizzies' which I had pretty bad, have left me. Also my sleep is in general way better, no waking up at 1 to pee anymore, and since I backed way off hard training I have loads more energy to do other stuff. I have also read that taking adaptogens in conjuncion with the acs like ashwaganda can be helpful.

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                        @62shelby - ha - that 1 AM thing ... it is a 3x per night thing for me .. sigh ... as if I needed more things to wake me up ! ... and the dizzy thing ... I will take a look at that - thanks


                        @dragonmama - yep - that's pretty much it, as far as something you want to actively avoid - the thing is, most people think they can "handle it" - life, stress, lack of sleep, lots of exercise, etc .. because they DO feel great - until the proverbial poo hits the fan ... Diana Schwarzbein does a great job of explaining this - that it "feels good" to use up your body's resources -


                        Weird but I see it now ... I did not see it while I was doing it ... skipping meals, working alot, staying up too late or getting up early to go work out / working out a whole lot / restricting calories / lots of caffeine (lots) ... bad food choice (Low carb bars) ... and the list goes on ... things that you don't perceive as stressful your body does - starvation etc - and then you can have an extremely stressful "event" in your life where your body is called upon to "cough it up" so to speak -


                        Not sure what it was for me - could be a combination of opening a restaurant / having a premature baby / having that baby go to NICU at 9 weeks with a respiratory virus .. ya know, stuff like that - and, boom, suddenly there you are ...


                        Now, I am not trying to be Chicken LIttle - just that you should know the kind of things that can lead to adrenal exhaustion so that it does not sneak up on you !!

                        PrimalMom
                        Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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                          Well, other than the coffee (which I really don't think is excessive; my friends say it's so weak it tastes like dirty water) I have a healthful lifestyle, and I'm a pretty laid-back, non stressed-out person. I think my adrenals are more likely to fall asleep from indifference than to burn out.

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                            Dragon- Sorry about that, I guess it's just the way you phrased the question that made it seem more like an accusation, but going back over it now I see what you meant. (I'm a bit defensive- I once asked an endocrinologist if I should do Paleo, and he looked at me and said..."Why don't you come back when you have heart disease; then I'll know how to treat you." HA!)


                            Anywhoo, I wouldn't say adrenal fatigue is QUITE like high blood pressure. If I had to compare, and this is a very LOOSE comparison, I'd say it's like the diff. between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes. While in some people it could have been prevented, in others there's really no choice but to do a combination of lifestyle and supplementation.


                            Also, a tip from my doc: If, two hours after you exercise, you feel fatigued instead of more energized, you've overtaxed your adrenals. This doesn't mean you have adrenal fatigue though, lol. Just something to watch out for.


                            I also don't think coffee will hurt you....o.0

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                              No problem. It's not always easy to convey thoughts by the written word. Besides, I can imagine how many times people have told you that it's all in your head.

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