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    It seems like people all around me are doing this "cleanse" where you just drink lemonade with maple syrup and cayenne pepper for a week or more. They all swear by it and claim to have lost tons of weight. Also people recommend green juice fasting (when I protest that "Master Cleanse" sounds like a bunch of insulin spikes, this is usually the next recommendation). I can't really find any evidence of what it does, good or bad but I know I feel a sort of intuitive "NO" when this is recommended to me. Does anyone know what the story is with these "cleanses" and the rationale behind them? I also heard of one where you drink olive oil and apple juice and supposedly pass "liver stones", what surely sounds like saponified balls of olive oil to me. I have even heard of health practitioners recommending this
    Michelle
    totally primal since 5/16/2010, 41 years old my journal
    240+/128/121 (I'm 5'3")

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    It's all total crap, ruby.
    Your body is self-cleaning, if you avoid eating junk, and get some exercise.

    Some of the sickest-looking people I have ever seen are devotees of these cleanses.
    Did I mention it was all total crap?
    ;-)

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    • #3
      Actually it isn't all crap. I had severe kidney damage which reversed after juice fasting. I know of several other people that have cured all kinds of serious diseases through fasting. There are testimonials all over the internet from people being cured of various life threatening diseases and ailments through fasting. Sometimes our bodies get so sick that they lose the ability to self repair, even with a proper diet (like what happened with me). Fasting seems to work because it gives the whole digestive system a rest and somehow enables the body to kick starts its self healing. I can't give you research papers or other evidence, but it does work.

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      • #4
        What kind of fasting? The lemon juice and maple syrup one or green juice fasting?
        Michelle
        totally primal since 5/16/2010, 41 years old my journal
        240+/128/121 (I'm 5'3")

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        • #5
          I'm sorry I wasn't clear, SAQ.
          I did not mean to say fasting was total crap, because it's not.
          Rather, I feel the concept of fasting, while consuming myriad glasses of sugary water, is crap.
          My apologies.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kuno1chi View Post
            I'm sorry I wasn't clear, SAQ.
            I did not mean to say fasting was total crap, because it's not.
            Rather, I feel the concept of fasting, while consuming myriad glasses of sugary water, is crap.
            My apologies.

            That's ok

            When I fast I consume fresh vegetable juices. I definitely agree that the maple syrup is unnecessary.

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            • #7
              Yeah, juice fasts are a bit different than the master cleanse which is lemons squeezed into water with maple syrup and cayenne. For 20 days.

              It's one of those things that can "sound" like it makes sense.. maybe? And indeed it does work because you're eating almost nothing, and consuming maybe 500-600 calories a day for 20 days. You're also supposed to do sea salt in water cleanses in the a.m. each morning to flush out the system.
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              • #8
                I did a 3-week juice fast to rid myself of intestinal parasites I caught while traveling through South America. Worked like a charm.

                Fasting is not something I would do to lose weight or to "detoxify" (whatever that means), but for very specific health conditions it has its place.

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                • #9
                  I'm not so sure about these things. I'm assuming that the point is to "cleanse" the colon. I used to work in endoscopy, and the patients had to cleanse their colons the night before they got scoped. They used Fleets Phosphosoda and every colon I saw was as clean as a whistle, (save for the occasional piece corn). So as for that, "you have 5-20 lbs of impacted fecal matter stuck like spackle to the inside of your colon"... I'm not buying it. That stuff (Fleets) cleans everything out, and non of these patients are pooping out 20 lbs of anything. And lets face it, lemon juice and maple syrup for weight loss? Sure, you'll lose wight, because you're not taking in much in the way of nutrients. IMHO it's not healthy.

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                  • #10
                    I was just talking about this with a friend of mine. If someone needs to cleanse themselves via lemonade with maple syrup (aka sugar water) or cleanse their colons, it's just some way of treating a symptom of poor diet OR they have a medical condition that needs to be addressed. We've evolved to NOT need things like juice cleansing (or colon cleansings for that matter).

                    As for post-cleanse weight loss, it's just severe calorie restriction. Check back in with those who have cleansed a month or two later and see if they've kept off the weight. Unless they have also changed their diet, I'd bet none of them keep it off.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah, I've done various cleanses over the years and, in fact, just finished an abbreviated Isagenix cleanse. I embarked upon this most recent cleanse because of recurring rashes (now gone) and as part of my full-on battle with Candida.

                      Anyway, Master Cleanse: I found out about it from my yoga teacher. I actually felt GREAT throughout -- not at all weak and not hungry whatsoever after day 3 -- but had to halt it at day 14 because I would start gagging just walking by the kitchen and smelling the concoction and seeing lemons. Interesting to note that I did not lose a single pound, despite not eating a thing, not even a piece of gum, for 14 days.

                      Other cleanses I've done have been far more effective then the Master Cleanse, IMO. Also, cleanses are not only done for the gut. There's a myriad of other reasons -- gallbladder flush, skin rashes, Candida overgrowth, etc., etc. Also, old stuck emotions bubble up as well.
                      "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                      • #12
                        I did the Master's Cleanse for 20 days and then switched to vegetable juices for the remaining 10 for a total of 30 days because my stomach basically stopped digesting food or at least, stopped doing it without massive amounts of pain for me, no matter what I ate. I know now that my digestion has been effed up by my shit diet these last ten years, but at the time...I was desperate. I used to believe in cleansing a lot more than I do now, however, giving my digestion a rest really seemed to work...for a while, until I went back to eating Ramen cause I was broke. It happened again, and I caught it before it got to the point it was before and am now trying to fix it with Primal eating.

                        During the day, I felt great while on the cleanse...even just drinking half of what was recommended (cause yeah...the gag factor starts to go up quickly with both the drink and the salt water flush) allowed me to maintain my daily activities. However, night time was AWFUL. I never was really all that convinced that I was doing the right thing because I never could find any real evidence to back up the health claims of the cleanse...so there were times when I thought I was going absolutely nuts and wondering if I was doing more damage to my body. I did it cause I needed to, but I'd never recommend it to anyone else.

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                        • #13
                          Fasting to heal makes sense. Animals fast when they don't feel well. This is why you'll see dogs not eating for a couple of days when going through a period of stress.

                          Juice fasting makes no sense. It defies the idea of fasting and is nothing nut almost pure sugar in your system. To me it's an other concept started by the vegan/raw crowd that has no scientific underpinning under it. Those who do it and say they experience great result probably do because they're almost fasting and experience the benefits from the fast.
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                          • #14
                            "Juice Fasting" encompasses many things. People call the Masters Cleanse a juice fast, as well as using fruit juices and vegetable juices. Most of the most healing juice fasts I've encountered utilize 99% vegetable juice with perhaps half an apple or a few grapes thrown in in order to make the juice palatable. While I've never seen any studies on the matter, anecdotal evidence does point to there being healing benefit from shutting digestion down for long periods of time, enabling the body to utilize it's energy in healing, rather than in digesting.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sebzzz View Post
                              Fasting to heal makes sense. Animals fast when they don't feel well. This is why you'll see dogs not eating for a couple of days when going through a period of stress.

                              Juice fasting makes no sense. It defies the idea of fasting and is nothing nut almost pure sugar in your system. To me it's an other concept started by the vegan/raw crowd that has no scientific underpinning under it. Those who do it and say they experience great result probably do because they're almost fasting and experience the benefits from the fast.
                              Ummm, people that juice fast already know that. But it's dangerous to water fast for lengthy periods of time if you already have a disorder as the body releases large amounts of toxins when fasting. Taking in juice just means your body detoxes more slowly. That's why I juice fast for my kidneys, rather than water fasting. And it has nothing to do with veganism, what a silly idea.

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