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  • #16
    Originally posted by Valkyrie Wannabe View Post
    Shannon:

    Yes, I'm still in OA. I could never have lost weight by myself – I'm addicted to carbs. Just as there are light drinkers, heavy drinkers that can stop, and alcoholics that cannot stop even when they want to, I am like that with certain foods – especially carbs but also "hand to mouth" foods. For example, I might not ever be able to control myself around nuts. (Grrr...Razzlefratz)

    I would not be surprised if it's wholly an insulin problem (for example, see the link below). However, now that my brain chemistry and neural patterns have been altered by years of addictive behavior, I don't know whether I will ever have a normal reaction to my "alcoholic" foods. I'm also counting on OA to help me stick with a Primal lifestyle.

    http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/artic...onnection.html
    Oh my goodness. That link you posted talking about adrenaline (fight or flight) is spot-on with my reaction to high glycemic food and palpitations (sympathetic nervous response). This is what I've been investigating with regard to the sudden onset of palpitations after eating. I know it is somehow linked with adrenaline, but I didn't quite know why. Thanks for posting this.

    I TOTALLY agree with you regarding the years of addictive behavior. I know some people on this website disagree with this. But I know it to be true through my experience and talking to obese friends/classmates. There is *something* that makes you long to do something. Like yesterday I was not hungry at all and I did not need food. Yet I kept obsessing about food, about a chicken sub in particular. I completely understand. Eating primally will help with the physiologic cravings. And it will make dealing with the psychological ones more bearable. But that's when the hard work comes in (which you're already doing in OA).

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    • #17
      I know this is an old thread, but I was wondering if there's anyone still out there post WLS doing primal?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by meeshar View Post
        I know this is an old thread, but I was wondering if there's anyone still out there post WLS doing primal?
        I just started going Primal, and I'm about 2 years out from Gastric bypass. In fact today is my 2 year anniversary. I also write about my experiences with nutrition over at my blog. I don't experience any of the problems that the folks are listing here. In fact, I find I do better on a higher fat diet. I enjoy bacon, eggs cooked in butter, steaks in butter, EVOO, haven't yet tried Coconut Oil so that one is still unknown. Actually, I've found the more lubed (more fat along with my food) the better it stays down. I'm able to comfortably eat a 6oz sirloin and a whole roasted Sweet Potato...That's a typically BIG meal for me. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones I guess.
        Follow my blog where I discuss Primal Life post Gastric Bypass surgery and Barefoot/Minimalist running.

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        • #19
          I just found this thread. I had roux-n-Y and gallbladder removal in 2003. I do very well on a Primal diet. It's carbs and sugars that give me trouble. I can't do the ginormous protein loading of the Leptin reset, but otherwise do well with protein-loaded meals. Lots of small meals/snacks sort of defeat the purpose of the byPass, though, so I fare best with something in-between. Usually 3 medium-sized meals, sometimes a small snack, lots of protein, low carb. fats have not been a problem.
          Janeen

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          • #20
            I am in the same boat as you. My meal size is pretty much medium. I don't snack a whole lot. Usually a handful of raspberries or blueberries maybe some nuts. I'm having no problems. Only problem I have is when I eat a very dry piece of chicken. That's simple to solve though...LEAVE THE DELICIOUS SKIN ON!.
            Follow my blog where I discuss Primal Life post Gastric Bypass surgery and Barefoot/Minimalist running.

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            • #21
              Love that I found this thread.. I am 2.7 months out after RNY, and after losing 175 lbs, about 10 lbs have crept back on.. I am fighting to keep things under wraps..

              Glad to see there are other people seeing a mess of this lifestyle, exercise, and no-sugar/carbs post WLS

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              • #22
                Awesome!

                I'm thrilled to see others chiming in. I had RNY gastric bypass almost 7 years ago, lost 130 lbs, my gallbladder, and have been on a weight gain/loss and health problem rollercoaster ever since. The only time I really felt well after my surgery was the first year when I was strictly following the post-surgery diet (no bread, rice, sugar). Then I started to head below my goal weight, and my surgeon recommended adding "healthy carbs" (i.e. whole grains). Next thing I knew, I was horribly ill for 3 months while it took 3 gastroenterologists to diagnose me with an ulcer and a small bowel bacterial overgrowth (blind loop syndrome specifically). I also suffered from reactive hypoglycemia almost constantly--I thought I was eating correctly, but have noticed even now if I cheat just a little I'm on a blood sugar rollercoaster for the rest of the day. I almost felt drunk after eating grains, and would often ask my husband to drive after eating out.

                Primal Blueprint has been the best thing to happen to me--a complete life changer. While it's hard to say that I wish I hadn't have had surgery (it did resolve my hypertension, cholesterol, knee problems, fertility problems, sleep apnea, etc.) I wish I'd known about and tried this before I had my surgery.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Valkyrie Wannabe View Post
                  PLEASE don't reply about the horrors of gastric bypass surgery. They are singularly unhelpful to those of us that already had the surgery.

                  I'm looking for some advice.

                  My post-surgery body reacts "unfavorably" when I eat too much sugar or fat, yet the moderate-protein, low-carb Primal eating plan means eating lots of fats. For example, I had a beef and blue cheese salad yesterday and it made me queasy.

                  Anyone have experience with this and found a way around it?

                  Many thanks!

                  V.W.
                  Hey! Welcome. I've had a gastric bypass too and one thing to consider is that it might have been the cheese, not the fat content. My advice is to start slow and work up to getting what is called for in the PB. I'm finding that I do best with 60-65% of my calories from fat every day but they get snuck in. Salmon, eggs, avacado, nice fatty pieces of chuck roast (helps the protein go down without liquids - which is important for people like us who aren't supposed to drink during meals) You'll be amazed soon enough at how quickly you get full with the fat. I can eat produce until the cows come home and feel no restriction but eating healthy, rich foods gets me there fast. Even with PB you kind of have to be cognizant of slider foods.

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                  • #24
                    Hello,

                    I had the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass in February 2009 and started Primal/Paleo in September 2011. Before Primal, I was very diligent with my eating (even though it was CW) because I was determined to make the most out of my bypass surgery and not sabotage it.

                    I find that I have dumping problems on oil/fats if they are processed, like in a restaurant where it's re-used oil.

                    I don't seem to have a problem eating chicken skin, beef, bacon, nuts, seeds, avocados, salmon, etc.

                    Melted butter hasn't been a problem like when I've dipped lobster in it, or when I've eaten escargot.

                    I DO have a problem sometimes when the fat is mixed with a sugar. For example, some ribs I have trouble eating because the fat from the ribs is mixed with the sugars from the BBQ sauce. I also love Korean BBQ, but sometimes I get queasy because the meats are marinated in sugar. Then, when its cooked, the hot fat mixes with the marinade.

                    The sugar mixed with fat is probably why many post-op folks have dumping syndrome from ice cream. If I ever treat myself to ice cream (and that's RARE), it's a sugar-free ice cream and even then I can only have a few spoons before I toss the rest.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Anthrocavedude View Post
                      Hello,

                      I had the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass in February 2009 and started Primal/Paleo in September 2011. Before Primal, I was very diligent with my eating (even though it was CW) because I was determined to make the most out of my bypass surgery and not sabotage it.

                      I find that I have dumping problems on oil/fats if they are processed, like in a restaurant where it's re-used oil.

                      I don't seem to have a problem eating chicken skin, beef, bacon, nuts, seeds, avocados, salmon, etc.

                      Melted butter hasn't been a problem like when I've dipped lobster in it, or when I've eaten escargot.

                      I DO have a problem sometimes when the fat is mixed with a sugar. For example, some ribs I have trouble eating because the fat from the ribs is mixed with the sugars from the BBQ sauce. I also love Korean BBQ, but sometimes I get queasy because the meats are marinated in sugar. Then, when its cooked, the hot fat mixes with the marinade.

                      The sugar mixed with fat is probably why many post-op folks have dumping syndrome from ice cream. If I ever treat myself to ice cream (and that's RARE), it's a sugar-free ice cream and even then I can only have a few spoons before I toss the rest.
                      I just had a reminder of the bad fat scenario, and it's so much clearer to me now because it had been a while since I last had a bad fat. I was at a restaurant and ordered a steak and steamed broccoli. Knowing the broccoli really needed butter, plus the steak was a pretty lean cut, I ordered a side of butter. They brought out "melted butter" but I knew (unfortunately after I had poured it on my food) from the first bite that it was in no way butter. I looked in the cup--melted butter is not uniformly cloudy. ::sigh:: Sure enough, I was in the toilet for quite a while after we got home. :/ I can cook almost everything in bacon grease, tallow, butter, or olive oil at home and not "dump", yet if I'm "good" at a restaurant (like the steak, or grilled chicken, etc.) I get the runs? It's pretty obvious to me now. I think that dumping off of fats is a gastric bypass myth--our altered intestines are looking for the good fats, and the bad ones just run right through.

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                      • #26
                        I think I found a home!!! I have my RNY in February of 1998. Please feel free to add me to your friends list and is there a Gastric Bypass or Weight loss Surgery group - Not just this thread??

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kathytnt View Post
                          I think I found a home!!! I have my RNY in February of 1998. Please feel free to add me to your friends list and is there a Gastric Bypass or Weight loss Surgery group - Not just this thread??
                          I've been thinking about starting one, what category do you think it should be under?

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                          • #28
                            I think you should put it under Success Stories, personally. You know, so that you guys can both advise and share success.

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                            • #29
                              wghjkt6
                              No, I don't know my 'ratios.' I focus on getting sufficient protein, and I eat very low carb (about 20g). I eat fatty fish (like salmon) and I use as much fat as I can tolerate--which is very moderate.

                              Because of age and medical issues, I need to eat low calorie and low carb, but I also find that I thrive on this WOE.

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                              • #30
                                Sorry it took me so long, but I did finally start a thread on Success Stories! Here's a link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post814845

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