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    OK all you lovely knowledgeable people, you convinced me to get a multivitamin. I take a fishoil, and though I would've loved to get a Zinc and an Iron and a D and an outstanding multi.. truth be told, my budget leapt up and smacked me around, so I settled for one that was on sale at my work.

    Its 'NOW - Daily Vits.'

    So, tell me what you think. What'd I get? What do I still need? ( I know, you'd really need to know my tests, etc... but... )

    http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=3355

    -写
    Little Saiyan

  • #2
    I really don't like it.

    4,000 IU A is too much.

    It has ergocalciferol which is ....pointless.

    The 150 mg calcium *carbonate* is a waste of space.

    35mcg selenium? ugh....selenium deficiency is widespread and supplementation of this micronutrient has extensive and solid supporting data.

    I like
    Rainbow Light Women's Just Once
    Rainbow Light Men's just Once
    Natrol My Favorite Multiple Take One (with iron)
    Natrol My Favorite Multiple Take One (iron free)

    .....depending on iron needs.



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    • #3
      I'm really glad you chimed in-- I was anticipating your response! I don't know anything about selenium. And can you tell me more about too much A?
      I'll get through this bottle and 'graduate' from there-- I figure I'm better off now than I was on my old expired Target brand multi!

      -写
      Little Saiyan

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cillakat View Post
        I really don't like it.

        4,000 IU A is too much.
        Cillikat, the two you recommend have 5000 IU vitamin A, don't they?

        But yay, the Rainbow doesn't have PABA. I looked up the Natrol previously when you posted about it, but I'm allergic to PABA (and benzocaine and sulfa, similar group).

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        • #5
          4000 IUs of the vit A in the NOW is from retinol palmitate. Rainbow light has 2500 from retinol palmitate. I think the Natrol has none from retinol, but can't recall. The rest is from beta carotene--there is a difference, and it matters (esp in terms of A toxicity/messing w/ the balance between vits A and D). I don't know enough about it though, I'm guessing cillakat can share more.
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          • #6
            Thanks, I thought it would be that, but I swear I looked at them yesterday and couldn't see where they broke down the form, but today it's plain as day. It was one of those days I guess

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            • #7
              Originally posted by avocado View Post
              Cillikat, the two you recommend have 5000 IU vitamin A, don't they?
              all beta carotene in the natrol, and half beta carotene in the rainbow light.

              But yay, the Rainbow doesn't have PABA. I looked up the Natrol previously when you posted about it, but I'm allergic to PABA (and benzocaine and sulfa, similar group).
              Hmmm. My 8yo is anaphylactic to sulfa drugs (and clarithromycin)....but doesn't have a problem with oral PABA. She does have rxns to topical PABA though.

              *thinks*



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              • #8
                Stay away of these.

                1. The Vitamin A as retinol is more toxic than beneficial. Search something with carotenoids as a Vita A source, something around 3000 units will do.
                2. Ergocalciferol as Vita D is nogo. Get something with cholecalciferol, or, better... SUNBATH

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MichaelA View Post
                  Stay away of these.

                  1. The Vitamin A as retinol is more toxic than beneficial. Search something with carotenoids as a Vita A source, something around 3000 units will do.
                  In small amounts, retinol is not problematic....it has very much to do with overall intake and the preformed A to D ratio. It's all about what is biologically and physiologically appropriate for humans.

                  But oto end of the spectrum..... WAPF is simply wrong that natural retinol isn't harmful in huge quantities. We see the harm in high vitamin A intake populations - the innuit and scandinavian osteoporosis and fracture rates. Increased respiratory infections.

                  Enough retinol is critical. Too much is bad. It's not terribly difficult to discern what is appropriate when viewed through an evolutionary lens versus simple a traditional lens. (which is where the WAPF goes wrong)
                  2. Ergocalciferol as Vita D is nogo. Get something with cholecalciferol, or, better... SUNBATH[/QUOTE]



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                    Hmmm. My 8yo is anaphylactic to sulfa drugs (and clarithromycin)....but doesn't have a problem with oral PABA. She does have rxns to topical PABA though.
                    *thinks*
                    It's a topical reaction I have too. I just don't know what oral would do, and wasn't keen to rush and find out carelessly I had googled a bit, and someone somewhere (with a topical PABA allergy) had posted that they just generally didn't feel great when inadvertently taking PABA in their multi, and felt better when they figured out the multi had PABA and stopped it. That was all I could really find, and it's pretty vague stuff. I'd probably give the Natrol a try if I couldn't find any alternative that wasn't way more expensive, but that doesn't seem to be the case. PABA is found in foods, so maybe it is truly a topical allergy only, I don't know. Thanks for the input.

                    I don't have any anaphylactic reaction. Sulfa just, you know, gives me itchy red spots over my whole body And a little benzocaine on my hand makes most of my arm red and swollen. Scares me to think of that happening to my poor insides. Typical hair dyes are also supposed to be part of this group, so I'm scared all my hair will fall out if I try to color it (will have to look at henna instead).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ikaika View Post
                      I take a fishoil, and though I would've loved to get a Zinc and an Iron and a D and an outstanding multi.. truth be told, my budget leapt up and smacked me around, so I settled for one that was on sale at my work.
                      Just because there's such-and-such a nutrient in a pill doesn't mean it's all bio-available when you consume it. And what "counts" as a vitamin to the manufacturer isn't necessarily the same form as you'd find in food - let alone in the same context with other nutrients that might work synergistically with it. There's a fair amount of evidence by now that many supplements make little difference to people's health and some may even be harmful. If money's tight, why burn it?

                      FWIW, I simply don't believe in the current hysteria about vitamin A. We've been told that with the Eskimo the calcium is "leached from their bones" because they eat plenty of meat; now we're told vitamin A causes problems for their bones. There has been a possible issue with mineral deficiency for some groups at some times when they couldn't get fish and fish bones. But the Eskimo by and large seem to have had no problem with their teeth and bones before modern foods began to make their way among them. It's said that a full-grown Eskimo man could lift 200 lbs with each hand and 200 with his teeth. Women used to open tin-cans with their teeth. Most of us should be so lucky to have teeth and bones of that quality.

                      And if vitamin A from liver were as much of an issue as is claimed, where would the Nuer, for example, be? They eat pounds of the stuff, regard it as sacred, and will only handle it with an iron implement as a kind of gesture of respect. Their bones are robust, and they're anything up to over 7 feet tall.

                      Anyway ....

                      In general I'd go with Dr Harris on this one:

                      One reason I have so far avoided doing this is to emphasize that [it] is about avoidance of the neolithic agents of disease that are outside our evolutionary experience, and not about meal plans, "blocks", counting, or measuring. It is not about exact macronutrient ratios and it's definitely not about supplementation or medicalizing your diet.
                      http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2...hat-i-eat.html

                      Maybe some fish oil or cod liver oil, and perhaps some "magnesium oil" spray, as most people seem to be low in that except in some favoured areas with high-mineral water. Otherwise, I'd save my money.

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                      • #12
                        ikaika, you said, "'ll get through this bottle and 'graduate' from there"
                        ... another option would be to alternate the Daily Vits with another brand(s) to spread the effect of the apparently non-optimal vitamin A dose and form over a longer period, so that you're not ingesting too much of the wrong form of A *every* day.

                        cillakat said, "'It has ergocalciferol which is ....pointless."
                        I agree with her, but at the same time, I doubt that *anyone* expects to get 100% of their daily required vitamin D from a multivitamin, so I wouldn't worry about this -- just supplement with extra D to reach your desired daily total. Since ergocalciferol (D2) is so much less potent than cholecalciferol (D3), I don't even count any D2 that happens to be in my daily multivitamin, among my vitamin D intake...

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                        • #13
                          It's all very well hating Vitamin A and wanting to substitute beta carotene, but some groups of humans, such as those who lived a lot next to the ocean and ate a lot of fish, have lost the power to convert beta carotene to Vitamin A. For them, it's animal or nothing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by healthseekerKate View Post
                            ikaika, you said, "'ll get through this bottle and 'graduate' from there"
                            ... another option would be to alternate the Daily Vits with another brand(s) to spread the effect of the apparently non-optimal vitamin A dose and form over a longer period, so that you're not ingesting too much of the wrong form of A *every* day.

                            cillakat said, "'It has ergocalciferol which is ....pointless."
                            I agree with her, but at the same time, I doubt that *anyone* expects to get 100% of their daily required vitamin D from a multivitamin, so I wouldn't worry about this -- just supplement with extra D to reach your desired daily total. Since ergocalciferol (D2) is so much less potent than cholecalciferol (D3), I don't even count any D2 that happens to be in my daily multivitamin, among my vitamin D intake...
                            Oh wow, guys, thank you for so much input. One of the things I enjoy about this forum is that we can all discuss and debate and really flesh out our opinions in (genergally) such a civilized and intelligent manner. Pretty good for a bunch of cavemen, huh??

                            So, now I should mix in a really good multi.. I'd take this one back to my store, but I see so much waste every day that i really can't bring myself to take back something like that and know that it'll just get thrown away. I'm trying to take away from this conversation a reasonably well-constructed plan to build my medicine cabinet from, but I'm not so good at compiling information (otherwise I'd have simply looked at all of the wonderful links that are in such great supply around here) and figuring out how to execute it in an affordable way.

                            And about D-- I knew from the get-go that it wasn't enough, but as it is currently the height of summer and I'm spending a lot of my spare time basking around like a lizard while I do reading assignments at the lake, I figured I was buying myself a bit of time...

                            Thanks again! I excitedly await the rest of the saga...

                            -写
                            Little Saiyan

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                            • #15
                              Can I thread jack? How much vit D should one be supplementing, say if they live in western canada, and don't get a ton of natural sunlight fall winter and early spring? And should I be suplementing my now weaned groklings? (3 yrs and 2 yrs) Thanks, and sorry for the thread jack?
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