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  • alcohol prevents fat loss, b/c alcohol is such as easy fuel to burn.

    I read that alcohol prevents fat loss, b/c alcohol is such as easy fuel to burn.
    What it on MDA?
    Anyone got a link to elaborate/explain this in more detail?

  • #2
    This post http://www.marksdailyapple.com/low-carb-alcohol/ is helpful in answering that. The basic gist of it: your body will burn alcohol fuel first, so will burn that before fat - but he also says your body doesn't get the blood sugar spike from alcohol as it does from other carbs, which is interested. Anyhow, it's a great post in full.
    ***if you fall down seven times, get up eight.***

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    • #3
      Thanks Sally. I also found this:

      http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/...ch/alcohol.htm
      *A small portion of the alcohol is converted into fat.
      *Your liver then converts most of the alcohol into acetate.
      *The acetate is then released into your bloodstream, and replaces fat as a source of fuel.

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      • #4
        http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/tru...nd-muscle.html
        I grok, therefore I am.

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        • #5
          By far my favorite article at Leangains.

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          • #6
            Seems like a bit of a red herring. Why discuss the thermic effect when that has absolutely nothing to do with losing weight? They don't call it alcoholic fatty liver disease for nothing. Wouldn't it behoove someone writing an article about alcohol and fat loss to discuss what it does to organs vital to the metabolism? Just saying. Martin is looking a bit haggard. How old is he?
            Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

            Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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            • #7
              Do you drink alcohol at all Stabby? Do you disagree that small quantities Martin discussed for health benefits are false? Stephan was just tired again when he posted similar stuff?

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              • #8
                Stephan's article


                Should we all start downing three drinks a day? Not so fast. Although alcohol does probably decrease heart attack risk, the effect on total mortality is equivocal. That's because it increases the risk of cancers and accidents. Alcohol is a drug, and my opinion is that like all drugs, overall it will not benefit the health of a person with an otherwise good diet and lifestyle. That being said, it's enjoyable, so I have no problem with drinking it in moderation. Just don't think you're doing it for your health.
                Nobody needs to drink alcohol to protect their heart if they eat properly. All of this stuff like chocolate, tea, wine, etc is only a good thing in a bad situation. Take the junk food out of the diet and there is no need for any of it .A little glass of wine may not be so bad, the poison is in the dose, if someone can stick to one little glass of wine that is. Ha.
                Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stabby View Post

                  Nobody needs to drink alcohol to protect their heart if they eat properly. All of this stuff like chocolate, tea, wine, etc is only a good thing in a bad situation. Take the junk food out of the diet and there is no need for any of it .A little glass of wine may not be so bad, the poison is in the dose, if someone can stick to one little glass of wine that is. Ha.
                  Of course nobody needs to drink. Well, maybe some people with sticks up their asses need it, but that's another issue I guess.

                  Alcohol in small doses is quite normal in healthy society. You make it sound difficult. I have less than a drink a week, mostly because I forget how beneficial a drink here and there can be. Stephan ended his article contemplating things over a glass of whiskey.

                  I believe people who try to maximize health through every last detail will stroke out much earlier than those who enjoy great health and laughter with occasional festive inputs like alcohol. I don't even begrudge you the wild drugs you promote from time to time.

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                  • #10
                    red wine, chocolate..........this stuff is paraded around like health food. Im still a skeptic on polyphenols/antioxidant power.......I think its a big markenting scam for the most part, but I also admit that it could be true to some extent too, so I enjoy my red wine and chocolate for sure.

                    however, for a lot of people, 1 glass of wine here and there is simply not possible. It eventually turns into 2 glasses maybe 2-3 times per week.....something decidedly unhealthy in my opinion. I have great self control in this arena, however, and I have 1 glass of wine maybe 2x per month. I enjoy it, and if its helping my heart in any way, yay for that. But I think labeling wine as heart healthy opens the door wide for those who are incapable of consumming responsibily and conservatively......not to mention, if you have a lofty weightloss goal, simply abstaining from all alchohol is the best, and easiest, way to reach it. People just dont want to admit this.

                    However, optimal health and optimal wellness are blurred lines. If someone has a fulfilling life drinking more than I think one should drink, and also has a healthy diet the other 90% of the time, who am I to say that person's lifestyle is unhealthy? I find happiness in limiting these foods. It makes them more special to me, so that is my own wellness there.

                    Also, Martin's goals are largely focused on physical appearance, not longterm health, somethng that we need ot keep in mind whenever we say "well Martin does x or y...."
                    Last edited by lmyers04; 07-25-2010, 10:37 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I don't promote them just as I don't promote alcohol. There may be good things to some things but if we can get those good things without those things and those things have bad things, then we will be better off.

                      I tend to treat people trying to lose weight differently than I would someone else. Maybe for some people a little alcohol will have literally no ill effects. But someone with a compromised liver it might be a different story.
                      Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                      Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
                        red wine, chocolate..........this stuff is paraded around like health food. Im still a skeptic on polyphenols/antioxidant power.......I think its a big markenting scam for the most part, ....."
                        Lmeyers, I agree. Well said !

                        I think the wine (and chocolate) thing is marketing bullshit. Like everything.
                        Drink rubbing alcohol. You'll die. It'll burn out your insides.
                        Alcohol is poison. Period.
                        So, what's different if you dilute it down to 14%? Same poison.

                        That said, I drink wine frequently, as a social activity.
                        But, I am not delusional into thinking its "good" for me (or even neutral)
                        It's lethal. End of story.

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                        • #13
                          Eating food prevents fat lose, but I am not going to stop. If people are feeling guilty over a little alcohol or dark chocolate consumption, then they really need to relax. The effects of the stress on your health are probably much greater than the actual consumption. Relax a little, enjoy, 80% remember?

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                          • #14
                            Drink rubbing alcohol. You'll die. It'll burn out your insides.
                            Alcohol is poison. Period.
                            So, what's different if you dilute it down to 14%? Same poison
                            the difference is that rubbing alcohol is isopropyl alchohol and what people drink is ethyl alchohol, they are completely different chemicals. it is not a matter of dilution. comparing those two different chemicals is almost like comparing poison hemlock to kale since they are both plants, or magnesium to arsenic since they are both elements.

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                            • #15
                              I think you're missing the point

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