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    I have searched around, both here and on the Net generally, and I cannot really find out any info on this, so here goes ... please feel free to chime in ...


    I have a problem with coconut oil (I will outline the "reaction" below) ...


    ... I really WANT to be able to use it, as it has so many health-supporting properties ... read "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" .... but .... I have tried off and on, about a year or so ago, and then last week again - different brands, more refined, less refined etc .... I have hypoT (Hashi)(for 10 years), pooped adrenals, I am 43, female, not having any menopausal issues, and most likely suffering from damaged metabolims (hence the hypoT) ... weight is 120, at 5'6", very active ....


    Anyhoo ... here's what happens ... I eat the coconut oil - either saute with it, put in a smoothie, eggs maybe - and soon after I eat it, maybe within 15-20 minutes - I get a massive migraine - I am very prone to migraines anyway, so it does not take much to bring one on - so I have the migraine, facial flushing, dizziness, and a general crappy feeling ... well, I read about "die off" and last year, I tried to "push through" that by staying with it for a couple of weeks - hell ... instead of helping my thyroid, my TSH shot up, joint pain and fatigue was horrific .. it sucked ...


    So, I guess I don't HAVE to use the coconut oil ... but it would be nice to know what the deal is .. and if I don't use it, is there something else I could put in its place ?? Pastured organic butter ????


    THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PrimalMom
    Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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    I too cannot eat coconut products (digestive issues). I've been using pure pastured pork lard for all of my cooking, and melted for salad dressing.

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      I use butter occasionally. I also use beef tallow that I rendered myself. It's super easy. Acquire beef (or pork) fat, place in cast iron pan and heat on low, drain off fat every so often. I hear it can be done in a crockpot also.


      Tallow is wonderful for cooking. It's by far my favorite, above coconut oil.

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        Primalmom, do you get these symptoms when sautéing with other saturated fats? Not that I've ever heard of such a sensitivity, but hey, whoever heard carbs were bad for you 30 years ago? And, of course, I'm no doctor, I only play one on TV (as the quip goes.)


        The fact that you have experienced these migraines even with the refined oil is puzzling. Have you contacted, say, Spectrum or Tropical Traditions to see if they have any experience? Or, of course, your physician? (Often the last to be informed of out of the mainstream news.)

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          OT:

          You're 43, primalmom???

          Do you took a picture of your daughter for the avatar? You look like 22 on the pic...

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            @Tadas - hehe ... you are TOO kind - nah, that's me


            @OTB - no other sat fats, just the CO - sad ... My doc just does the shrug - he is pretty "out of the box" but ... ??? ... I am thinking it is something to do with the MCTs - but doesn't butter have MCTs too ??


            Thanks Diana and Marika ! I will try the tallow and lard ... bacon & spinach salad !

            PrimalMom
            Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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              Try using Ghee to cook with. If you haven't used this before, it provides a rich flavor profile to all the foods you saute with, and you'd still be using something in the Primal Blueprint.


              In terms of your adrenals, have you ever been tested for adrenal fatigue. It's pretty interesting to see the results. I got mine tested through a saliva test and a blood test and the results were conclusive...on the cusp of stage 3 adrenal fatigue. I work with Sean Croxton from Underground Wellness and he's truly helped me turn things around.

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                @Primalmom: Avoid refined coconut oil, use only virgin (or extra-vergin as some companies call it) CO. Chemicals are used for the refining process and that may have something to do with your migraines. Do you get the same reaction from using unrefined/virgin CO?

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                  yah Maba .. the one I have now is unrefined - it is very grainy with coconut and smells awesome ... boo


                  Chubby - I did a blood test last year - low cortisol, DHEA on the low normal - doc said to take DHEA, B5, licorice --- some help but sometimes, it aggravates ... the symptoms are back now - I think it is stress from overexercise and under-nourishing .... I was following a very strict (yes, lowfat, and I know better !!) diet from January to July ... DUH ME !! ... And I need to stop all caffeine - I am about 50/50 now ... for sure, that will help too !


                  I am wondering if the adrenal thing is somehow related - there is a snippet in a Schwarzbein book about not being able to tolerate lots of sat fat if your adrenals are sub par ... anyone know WHY ???

                  PrimalMom
                  Check out my new blog at http://primalmom.blogspot.com

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                    Folks, she said she has headache problems with both refined and unrefined oils. The refined is the one that would be LESS likely to give problems because there would be fewer "tag along" molecules that are not fatty acids in it. That's why those grain based oils are highly refined.


                    Ghee, tallow, or butter does not address her concerns. None of them have the putative health benefits she is trying to get with coconut oil.


                    In order to eliminate psychological/subjective components, I would suggest blind testing with someone else doing the cooking. But with coconut oil's distinct flavor that would be hard to do.

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                      I don't see what special thing CO has that ghee, tallow, etc don't have.


                      It is completely saturated fat, of a kind that our body prepares preferably. So OK it is the best kind of fat. But that doesn't mean others are much worse. I think Ghee would compete very closely, as it is also completely saturated fat. Ghee will also contain a number of vitamins that CO will not have, if you get pastured ghee.


                      So in all I would say that pastured ghee is definitely better than CO. Grain fed ghee may not be as good as CO.

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                        Anand, with all due respect, you are incorrect.


                        CO is a VERY different complex having mostly short and medium chain fatty acids. Our bodies process these quite differently than the long chain FA's, even though all are saturated fats.


                        Google this topic or check out the Weston Price Foundation site for relevant articles.

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                          [quote]

                          I am wondering if the adrenal thing is somehow related - there is a snippet in a Schwarzbein book about not being able to tolerate lots of sat fat if your adrenals are sub par ... anyone know WHY ???</blockquote>


                          Hi Primalmom! It&#39;s me Ellen (from Ali&#39;s forum)


                          Answering your question, I&#39;m guessing that if your adrenals are sub par, then it might be a case of over-taxed liver when it comes to saturated fats. I know when I first started using coconut oil, if I had too much, I&#39;d get nauseous. Means that the liver can&#39;t process it fast enough or efficiently enough? Make sense?


                          If I were you, I&#39;d try using less coconut oil and work your way up.

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                            [quote]

                            ... I really WANT to be able to use it, as it has so many health-supporting properties ... read "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" .... </blockquote>


                            BTW, I read that book too! That&#39;s what got me on this primal journey over a year ago.

                            Excellent book.

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                              I get the flush from the coconut oil. I am also prone to migraines. I will watch to see if this is a trigger. I find I have far fewer migraines if I avoid all my food allergies (mostly wheat, dairy, soy). If there is a flush from the coconut oil, it may cause the blood vessels in the back of the neck to dilate and then constrict like many other triggers.

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