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    I have been reading through the posts and would like someone to clear up for me the nut issue? Do nuts ( almonds, walnuts , macadamia- these are the ones I eat daily 1/4 cup mixed) effect fat loss?

    Also, I am following Mark's book- making sure I get 1g of protein per lean body weight. My goal is to be 155-160, and 18-20% BF. So I am taking in no less than 100g of protein a day. I am currently 215 and am looking to shed 55-60lbs. I am eating between 30-50grms of veggie carbs to start off running so-to-speak now that I am fully primal. So the rest I have to get from fat. I eat avocado, olive oil, coconut oil, the fat I get from healthy meats, eggs, nuts. I am eating between 1300-1500 cal a day. That is just where I am coming out when I journal it all.

    Suggestions? comments? sound right?

    thanks for your time

  • #2
    In short, yes. So does avocado. Omega 6 linoleic acid suppresses the thyroid http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...uppresses.html

    Linked to obesity http://omega-6-omega-3-balance.omega...o-obesity.aspx

    It increases inflammation leading to a disruption in leptin signaling and hepatic insulin resistance. Not fun. Nobody has to or should try to eliminate all linoleic acid but I definitely wouldn't go overboard on it.



    I am quite unpolpular for my views on almonds, walnuts, and the like, but there isn't a difference between linoleic acid molecules whether they be from hemp seeds or soybean oil. What there is a difference in is the amount of fats that are oxidized, leading to even more problems. What some nuts have is vitamin e and magnesium, which you should make sure to get from other sources.

    Macedemia nuts don't appear to be as problematic.
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    • #3
      I would say if you love nuts (i love cashews and macadamias, for example), pick your favorite nut, and eat a serving of them only 1 or 2 days per week (the weekends are perfect). This will majorly cut down on your omega-6 intake, and leave room for you to get fat and protein from higher quality sources during the week.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Stabby View Post
        In short, yes. So does avocado. Omega 6 linoleic acid suppresses the thyroid http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...uppresses.html

        Linked to obesity http://omega-6-omega-3-balance.omega...o-obesity.aspx

        It increases inflammation leading to a disruption in leptin signaling and hepatic insulin resistance. Not fun. Nobody has to or should try to eliminate all linoleic acid but I definitely wouldn't go overboard on it.



        I am quite unpolpular for my views on almonds, walnuts, and the like, but there isn't a difference between linoleic acid molecules whether they be from hemp seeds or soybean oil. What there is a difference in is the amount of fats that are oxidized, leading to even more problems. What some nuts have is vitamin e and magnesium, which you should make sure to get from other sources.

        Macedemia nuts don't appear to be as problematic.
        +1

        Though I do have the bias of never being able to eat a single serving of nuts once I start. Cashews and pistachios especially!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
          I would say if you love nuts (i love cashews and macadamias, for example), pick your favorite nut, and eat a serving of them only 1 or 2 days per week (the weekends are perfect). This will majorly cut down on your omega-6 intake, and leave room for you to get fat and protein from higher quality sources during the week.
          Unfortunately, I've been eating 1-2 servings of almonds PER DAY - a bad habit I really need to get away from. We bought them in bulk and it's bad for me to have them sitting around the house. Thankfully, they're all gone now. I'm terrible about eating snacky-type things that I can play with in my hands. Thanks for the reference to the amount. Any suggestions for other snacks? I'm thinking vegetables.

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          • #6
            I've given up having nuts around too, but one thing you might want to think about is only getting nuts with the shells on them. Having to actually crack the nuts should slow your intake down a bit. You can't just grab a handful and toss them down that way.
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            • #7
              From personal experience rather than science, yes, it's easy to eat enough nuts to stall your progress. the carbs do add up! Once I stopped trying to get my fat intake up by eating nuts and cheese, I did start to lose. I second the suggestion to have 1-2 servings per WEEK - although I tend to just grab a handful (about 1/3 of a serving) of macadamias on my way out the door in the morning, so I'm not eating my 'allotment' all at once

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marisa View Post
                Unfortunately, I've been eating 1-2 servings of almonds PER DAY - a bad habit I really need to get away from. We bought them in bulk and it's bad for me to have them sitting around the house. Thankfully, they're all gone now. I'm terrible about eating snacky-type things that I can play with in my hands. Thanks for the reference to the amount. Any suggestions for other snacks? I'm thinking vegetables.
                Its only recently that Ive actually been able to have them in the house and not eat them. Its my new talent.

                As far as snacks, im not really a snacker since I stuff my face with all my calories in a 6 hour feeding window, and fast the remaining 18 hours. However, the only good snack options I can really get behind would be hard boiled eggs(or any eggs for that matter), or cottage cheese or yogurt, if you are dairy-tolerant. While I love veggies, snacking on just carbs would probably just activate your appetite even more. Steak is always a great "snack" too lol.
                Last edited by lmyers04; 07-23-2010, 02:48 PM.

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                • #9
                  Great thoughts .. thanks. MOre than anything, I am working on making this all as simple as possible.. have spent enough of my life obsessing over what not to eat, what to eat, and when. When I read that nuts can inhibit weight loss, it was like .. *crap* now that's one more thing to worry about. I can cut it down to just macadamia, and grab a couple here and there. I'd love, and look forward to a day when I can trust myself to eat intuitively and when I am hungry, and give up my seat on the diet train.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lmyers04 View Post
                    Its only recently that Ive actually been able to have them in the house and not eat them. Its my new talent.
                    All of my almonds are gone but I still have about half a pound of walnuts left. I gotta get some willpower! Maybe I'll make up some steak chunks for snacking!

                    I do plan to pick up a small amount of macadamias when those are gone. My parents don't buy those because they "have too much fat".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                      In short, yes. So does avocado. Omega 6 linoleic acid suppresses the thyroid http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...uppresses.html

                      Linked to obesity http://omega-6-omega-3-balance.omega...o-obesity.aspx
                      Here's Stephan's conclusion in the article you linked.
                      The treatment? Dump the vegetable oil, wheat, soy, sugar and processed food in favor of the things the human body is equipped to handle: animal fats, root vegetables, vegetables, fruit, meats, organs, seafood, eggs, nuts...
                      I dunno. There's epi studies where those who consumed the most nuts are the least likely to be obese. Could just be a general health consciousness that goes with buying nuts instead of M&Ms. The benefits of nuts from blood lipid improvement to cancer and cardiovascular disease prevention is well established. Almonds lower insulin secretion/spikes. I think it will turn out that there is a substantial difference in the quality of omega 6 in refined safflower oil, corn oil, cottonseed oil, soybean oil, etc., heck, even chicken and pork as compared to high quality essential 06 in nuts. I'm sure you're aware of the disgusting refining process those oils in the tests have been through. I could make grass fed organ meat unhealthy with chemical deoderants, bleach and lye. Nuts are good paleolithic food.

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                      • #12
                        Yeah I know maybe he wasn't thinking clearly that day. He's a busy guy.

                        Like I said. Magnesium. I like supplements. Humans evolved the most when they were fishers and eating plenty of magnesium. If you can get the magnesium without the linoleic acid, you're better off.
                        Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                        Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                        • #13
                          I've also reduced my nut consumption by about 90% from May when I used them to kick several SAD habits, but I did fine health and weight loss-wise even when I was eating ridiculous amounts.

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                          • #14
                            That's good. You could have done better. It's ridiculously easy to lose weight, even if with nuts. But that doesn't make them healthy or a good idea. Do you have less than 10% body fat yet?
                            Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                            Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                              That's good. You could have done better. It's ridiculously easy to lose weight, even if with nuts. But that doesn't make them healthy or a good idea. Do you have less than 10% body fat yet?
                              I doubt I could have managed without the nuts. I was seriously psychologically addicted to my snacking habit. It was nuts, to say the least, but I am past it now and nuts are just an occasional small treat. I like the crunch and I think they're not only harmless in small doses, but quite healthy. I still have a long way to go to be 10% bf, but I will get there faster than your average bear.

                              I have a couple weight loss groups online. I wish it was ridiculously easy for everyone to lose weight. I read some of their struggles and just have no idea what to say. It's possible that the only thing that will work for some busted metabolisms is severe calorie restriction, but the owners of those metabolisms cannot function under those conditions. Some of the stories are heart wrenching, and here I am shedding pounds effortlessly, enjoying every minute of the primal ride. :shrug:

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