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    Here's a video of survival expert Les Stroud in the Canadian Arctic.

    He starts talking about the traditional food he's been given to take out on a survival exercise. That's from about 0:58 onwards

    He says what'll happen if you're stuck in the arctic with only lean meat to eat:

    "In about a week you will show signs of protein-poisoning ... in eight days diarrhoea begins ... a few weeks of that and you will die."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4EKia3dnY

    Nothing most people here didn't know probably. It's good to hear someone stating the importance of fat on a TV show, however.

  • #2
    Love Les Stroud! The man is amazing.
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    • #3
      I remember an episode where he also spoke about rabbit hunger from eating only lean meat.
      "I know what my body needs and what it can handle. There's no better way to achieve my goal than what im doing now. If my regimen leads to my death, be it in six days or six months...I will die fullfiled. The outcome is irrelavent so long as i steer towards my fate. If death is to be my prize, i welcome it with open arms."

      "A pound of meat a day keeps the doctor away"

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      • #4
        I love him that video was excellent, I am such a wuss I could never do that...

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        • #5
          Les is ma hero!

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          • #6
            Survivorman was an awesome show! It's too bad it was only 3 seasons. I think the Alaska episode from season 2 was my favorite, especially when he found the fiddlehead ferns. Yummy! Shame he wasn't stranded with a frying pan and some butter to go along with it!
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            And we never even know we have the key."
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            • #7
              I remember reading about early American settlers dying of malnutrition because their main source of meat was (very lean) venison, and they became deficient in the essential fat-soluble nutrients.

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              • #8
                Hmm, interestingly rabbit starvation is also coupled with low blood pressure and heart rate. I remember reading here on MDA forums people talking about very low heart rate and blood pressure. I mentioned myself I had a very low resting pulse at around 50, but my blood pressure is normal at around 120/80. Maybe people here on MDA with low BP and pulse is in a mild state of rabbit starvation?

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by StillWild View Post
                  Survivorman was an awesome show! It's too bad it was only 3 seasons.
                  He's currently working on another series that is due out pretty soon I think.

                  He's from just a couple hours south of where I live. This man knows how and has truly lived off the land with his family. Not too many people these days would be brave enough to try that.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gottaluvalab View Post
                    I remember reading about early American settlers dying of malnutrition because their main source of meat was (very lean) venison, and they became deficient in the essential fat-soluble nutrients.
                    I've seen a similar story with regard to early American explorers (Army people, I think). I can't recall where - possibly in America as Seen by Its First Explorers: The Eyes of Discovery

                    http://www.amazon.com/America-Seen-I...dp/0486260313/

                    They took large quantities of muscle meat - then, as now, seen as the luxury cuts. I guess north-west European (and hence American) cooking of those days would have included butter and fat-rich suet puddings and so on. But if you were further from civilization, you'd need to realize that that butter, suet, etc. needed to be replaced by something else in some form - caribou back-fat and kidney fat, buffalo fat, whatever.

                    As you say, you become deficient in fat-soluble vitamins (specifically vitamin A). It becomes particularly problematic, because you need A to deal with the extra, above-needs protein. From that point of view, it would be better to eat more carbohydrate - but that's not always easily available further north.

                    Stefansson said that when in northern Canada he'd run out of lean meat and had only seal oil (and some scraps of leather clothing) to eat. He'd also been in the position of running out of fat and only having lean meat to eat. He said you wouldn't want to be in either position, and in either case you start to go downhill fairly rapidly after a few days, but having no fat is worse.

                    Originally posted by Lovestoclimb View Post
                    This man knows how and has truly lived off the land with his family. Not too many people these days would be brave enough to try that.
                    Sbowshoes and Solitude:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4_fteTJQ_Q

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                    • #11
                      I always liked Bear Grylls until I saw Les on a few episodes and he is ten times better.
                      Today is a new day. You will get out of it just what you put into it. If you have made mistakes, there is always another chance for you. And supposing you have tried and failed again and again, you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'Failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down.

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                      • #12
                        Bear does some really cool stuff but he's followed around by a camera crew. Takes the authenticity out of a survival show if you ask me.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lovestoclimb View Post
                          He's currently working on another series that is due out pretty soon I think.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lovestoclimb View Post
                            Bear does some really cool stuff but he's followed around by a camera crew. Takes the authenticity out of a survival show if you ask me.
                            Bear takes a lot more flak than he deserves. Over here in the U.K. Ray Mears has made some really catty remarks not just about that show about the man himself. It's jealousy, if you ask me. If not why would he be quite so nasty?

                            I think the production company did some mildly dishonest things a long while back, such as, it's said, making a volcano look a bit more menacing by puffing some dry ice. Not good, but that's the nature of the television business. I think they've cleaned their act up now.

                            The larger underlying disconnect seems to be between what the programme appears to be showing and what it is showing. They don't actually say that it's a journey performed and filmed in realtime, like some fly-on-the-wall documentary. But the way they do it it tends to look like that; so people tend to grouse whenever they realize it's not. It's actually a set of demonstrations of techniques filmed over six days, but with a kind of story to go with it to tie things together and to add drama. And Bear knows he's got to entertain, so there's an element of that.

                            I don't think it's all done for effect, though. It seems a part of his own ethos - and perhaps something of a military ethos; he is ex-forces - to show that what he's saying can be done can be. In his world you don't just say in extremis you can do such-and-such - say drink your own urine - you demonstrate that. Les has a bit of that, too - I've seen him demonstrate boiling water in a plastic bottle and then drink it, which I wouldn't do.

                            I don't take Bear's series for what they're not, so I'm not about to complain because they're not what I mistakenly thought they were. And I certainly don't blame him for not turning down the offer from the production company to take the job: he's got a family to feed. He's an skilled, athletic, and brave man, and wrote a pretty good account of when he climbed Everest, too. I'm not going to knock someone like that.

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                            • #15
                              I tend to see the shows as two entirely different animals. To me I would watch Man vs. Wild for the trivia, interesting facts, etc. The information is just as valid for the most part and Bear is fairly dishy. But Survivorman shows pretty much all the facets of survival like how deadfalls don't always work out like you plan and/or the psychological aspects . When Les is feeling like absolute crap it shows, and I think it's almost more important to show that. Example being when he was in the Kalahari desert and had a head cold while dealing with 140 degree sand temps (not to mention too much protein on an empty stomach...darn ostrich eggs).
                              Either way, Bear's got a decent show (one that takes a hell of a lot less of a toll on Bear and thus can probably keep filming without too much hassle) good for facts and such, but I love the grittiness you get with Les Stroud, no polish just straight filming.
                              "So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains
                              And we never even know we have the key."
                              ~The Eagles, "Already Gone"

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