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    what do you guys know about either of these and sleep??
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    umm....bump???
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    • #3
      I take a melotonin/theanine combo I picked up at Costco. I get a much deeper sleep and wake up rested. I've taken it for the last 6 mos or so with no apparent ill affect.

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        I've been waking feeling unrested lately for no explicable reason (diet good, exercise ok, stress levels reasonable), so I took some melatonin (from NOW foods) last night and hit the hay early. I nearly sprung out of bed at 4am with a crap ton of energy. I don't plan on taking it long term, just want to play around with it a bit to see how effective it is. Maybe last night was a fluke/placebo effect.
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        • #5
          Melatonin works to promote sleep but should not be taken for a long period of time (like more than a week) because it can cause dependency and even depression. Tryptophan is a precursor to melatonin and does not have these side effects. I take a 500 mg capsule of tryptophan before bed, about every other day. I sleep better on the days that I take it.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by kennelmom View Post
            I've been waking feeling unrested lately for no explicable reason (diet good, exercise ok, stress levels reasonable), so I took some melatonin (from NOW foods) last night and hit the hay early. I nearly sprung out of bed at 4am with a crap ton of energy. I don't plan on taking it long term, just want to play around with it a bit to see how effective it is. Maybe last night was a fluke/placebo effect.
            i gotthe same ones... it didnt DO aything?!?!?!? i was awake all night! but i think i ate to much at night and that prolly has a big impact on my sleep
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Canarygirl View Post
              Melatonin works to promote sleep but should not be taken for a long period of time (like more than a week) because it can cause dependency and even depression. Tryptophan is a precursor to melatonin and does not have these side effects. I take a 500 mg capsule of tryptophan before bed, about every other day. I sleep better on the days that I take it.
              i have that but i havent taken it, you like, it works?
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              • #8
                I had a melatonin stage that really improved my sleep, but did make me a bit drowsy throughout the day, perhaps I should have lowered the dose?... anyways, what I found works even better for me is magnesium powder. same effect, without the drowsiness. i drink a cup in bed (sometimes mixed with herbal tea) and get very relaxed in 15 minutes.. knocked out in 20 or so. I also used to get a lot of muscle cramps ( waking up in the middle of the night with a calf cramp - urggggg) and that is history!

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                • #9
                  can i lik up cap the powder in my magnesium and stick it in some water?
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                    I have taken Melatonin on occasion 3mg and 5mg dosage. It definitely works for me. I do find a slight "hang over" phenomenon, but that might be due to timing. The directions say take 1/2 hour before bed and I am usually only getting 7 hours in the sack, so it might last longer than 7 hours?
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                    • #11
                      Yes, the 500mg tryptophan definitely helps me sleep. Works even better in conjunction with a magnesium supp.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Steve1907 View Post
                        I have taken Melatonin on occasion 3mg and 5mg dosage. It definitely works for me. I do find a slight "hang over" phenomenon, but that might be due to timing. The directions say take 1/2 hour before bed and I am usually only getting 7 hours in the sack, so it might last longer than 7 hours?
                        I have noticed the same effect. I've only ever taken 1 or 2 mg of melatonin at a time (sublingually), but I notice that if I don't have time to get a full 8+ hours of sleep, I have experienced some serious uncoordination the following morning; a few times, I've had no choice but to go back to sleep, because I literally couldn't function, and just felt drugged up.

                        My own experience with melatonin has been that 1 mg worked perfectly for the first few nights, then I had to up the dose to 2 mg to feel any effect, then 2 mg stopped working... I decided to change some other factors in my life to promote sleep, rather than continuing to increase the dose...

                        I plan to keep it on hand for occasional use, but have found that relying on it regularly isn't a good idea, at least for me.
                        Last edited by healthseekerKate; 07-15-2010, 10:26 AM.

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                        • #13
                          i looked into all of these things a few years ago when i was suffering from depression. l-triptophan can be an effective anti-depressant.

                          from memory - melatonin has to be manufactured by the body. ingesting it won't have the intended effect. l-triptophan, a precursor, provides the body with the ability to manufacture more melatonin - and so is more effective.

                          there is reams and reams of information on l-triptophan, 5-htp, melatonin etc on depression and anxiety related forums. i'd recommend reading them - there are people on them who have experimented with them to a crazy level and there's a lot of anecdotal information as well as links to some studies. for what it's worth, i walked away with a clear message from all of that. melatonin and 5-htp supplements = bad. l-triptophan probably pretty good. it's also (of course) considerably more expensive (again, from memory)

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                          • #14
                            Tryptophan converts to melatonin and serotonin. Supplemental melatonin works fine. It's serotonin that doesn't work as a supplement. I like the idea of increasing melatonin for its antioxidant characteristics without increasing serotonin, which natural tryptophan from diet produces adequately. I get tons of tryptophan from primal eating -- seafood, beef, pork, nuts, and particularly eggs.

                            This seems pretty thorough.

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                            • #15
                              i probably wouldnt be taking any melatonin supp's.
                              what it sounds like you need is a proper day of physical work and good food followed by a completely pitch black room (im talking no light not even your alarm clock pointing your way) for sleep.
                              ive been reading lights out. thats a damn good book, and it goes through the complete biochemistry of humans and sleep patterns. there are studies that melatonin production is actually turned off in patients where they put a small blue light on the back of their knee as they slept. crazy stuffs. all about circadian rhythmicity. very enjoyable read indeed.

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