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  • #61
    Originally posted by Digby View Post
    I take a triple magnesium from Swanson Vitamins that is a 400mg combo of oxide-citrate-aspartate which works wonderfully for my migraines. Also take calcium since they work together.
    They don't necessarily work together but like most things in our bodies it's not only about total amounts but also about *ratios*. The thing is that most get enough calcium and that once folks optimize vitamin D, gut calcium absorption is significantly increased. Taking calcium in these cases will only cause issues over the long term. William Davis touches upon it in heartscan.

    Just a caution. The magnesium is what is helping your migraines.

    I was astounded after nearly forty years of severe migraines (always carry two different presciptions with me, +calmag now) that no doctor ever mentioned it, and I guess I was just not attending to the info on the internet, but for about a year now when I feel the first signs of a headache I take one of these and the magnesium nearly always stops it. This was like a miracle to me. I lived in dread of a full blown three day migraine.
    Oh yes. I've so been there. Interestingly, there is evidence regarding magnesium and migraines, it just doesn't get trotted out that often. There may be some scientific magnesium information in my link below - both the google docs links and the diigo bookmarks.

    I take 250-800 mg magnesium per day depending on a variety of factors.



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    • #62
      Originally posted by Digby View Post
      I take a triple magnesium from Swanson Vitamins that is a 400mg combo of oxide-citrate-aspartate which works wonderfully for my migraines. Also take calcium since they work together.
      They don't necessarily work together as much as they are both needed. They tend to work in opposition - think of calcium as the contractor and magnesium as the relaxer. Like most things in our bodies it's not only about total amounts but also about *ratios*. The thing is that most get enough calcium and that once folks optimize vitamin D, gut calcium absorption is significantly increased. Taking calcium in these cases will only cause issues over the long term. William Davis touches upon it in heartscan.

      Just a caution. The magnesium is what is helping your migraines.

      I was astounded after nearly forty years of severe migraines (always carry two different presciptions with me, +calmag now) that no doctor ever mentioned it, and I guess I was just not attending to the info on the internet, but for about a year now when I feel the first signs of a headache I take one of these and the magnesium nearly always stops it. This was like a miracle to me. I lived in dread of a full blown three day migraine.
      Oh yes. I've so been there. Interestingly, there is evidence regarding magnesium and migraines, it just doesn't get trotted out that often. There may be some scientific magnesium information in my link below - both the google docs links and the diigo bookmarks.

      I take 250-800 mg magnesium per day depending on a variety of factors.



      iherb referral code CIL457- $5 off first order

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      • #63
        I think i am finally magnesium deficient. To the point i think i need to take action and quickly. I have only my symptoms to go off, no formal diagnosis has been done but worryingly i posses a funny/annoying heart rythm, interrupted sleep, slight cramp/stiffness in my calves and don't know if slow nail growth is another factor.

        So obviously i'm most worried about the heart thing. I need some advice regarding on how should i approach my situation.

        Should i go and get a diagnosis, and what is the most accurate and effective way to get my blood checked for most things but most importantly i guess magnesium and other vital indicators? Or are my symptoms enough to perhaps self-experiment and see how i go with some supplementation? I worry i am deficient in other nutrients/minerals aswell though.

        It's annoying because i consider my diet to be fairly good, perhaps a little too repetitive and not include much variety, but disappointing to think your eating healthy and still need to consider supplementation, which i just don't find natural and have like a moral issue with the idea.

        Echolife Magnesium Chloride Oil 250ml

        Any opinions on this product? I am confused and slightly worried so any help and advice would be great.

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        • #64
          I can't tolerate magnesium citrate, unless i need it to "quicken my digestion." You can get enough magnesium, but you must be intentional about it. I eat several cups of greens per day to meet my needs; chard is best, but kale is another good source.
          my primal journal:
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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          • #65
            I use a topical magnesium brine (different brand, but same concept) and I really like it. It takes care of my leg cramps and really reduces my heart palpitations. It can be a bit strange feeling on your skin - but it really helps me and I use it nightly.
            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

            http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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            • #66
              figs are a great source as well. They have the fiber thing going for them too.

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              • #67
                I know it's not supposed to work, but I've had the best luck with crappy old Magnesium Oxide from the drug store.

                I tried a chelated version and Magnesium Glycinate, but neither one seemed to help with my migraines and restless legs at night. So I switched back to the crappy stuff and it works great for me.

                ETA: But I also admit that I probably need more than the average guy (at least 800 mg) so I'm probably not the norm anyway.
                Durp.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Saoirse View Post
                  I can't tolerate magnesium citrate, unless i need it to "quicken my digestion." You can get enough magnesium, but you must be intentional about it. I eat several cups of greens per day to meet my needs; chard is best, but kale is another good source.
                  So whether or not a particular magnesium supplement works for you, it's pretty much decided by if it gives you the runs?

                  My first plan is to get it from diet, so like you mentioned, i will try eat 2cups of chard throughout the day, some spinach and etc. Did you notice or diagnose a magnesium deficiency for yourself and thus implemented the diet changes accordingly, and noticed improvements?

                  Thanks for the responses, i appreciate it and quiet a few things have hit home in the 2hrs of research i just did. I have worryingly been neglecting a few things. Zinc and magnesium intake in particular.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by zizou View Post
                    So whether or not a particular magnesium supplement works for you, it's pretty much decided by if it gives you the runs?

                    My first plan is to get it from diet, so like you mentioned, i will try eat 2cups of chard throughout the day, some spinach and etc. Did you notice or diagnose a magnesium deficiency for yourself and thus implemented the diet changes accordingly, and noticed improvements?

                    Thanks for the responses, i appreciate it and quiet a few things have hit home in the 2hrs of research i just did. I have worryingly been neglecting a few things. Zinc and magnesium intake in particular.
                    For me, ditching gluten helped with my migraines, but I was still getting them. Tho Boyfriend and I did a bunch of research and found out about magnesium tried it and it helped.

                    Yeah, it can make you a little "loose" if you take a higher dose. But if I take less than my current 800 mg, the migraines get more frequent and my legs get twitchy at night. I fix the poop issue by taking 400 mg in the morning and 400 mg at night. Seems to work pretty well that way.

                    For me, efficacy and dose are based on the minimum level that makes any issues go away.
                    Durp.

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                    • #70
                      zizou, just figure you are magnesium deficient and along with good foods start taking supplements. chances are you are way low and it will simply take too long to get up to a healthy level through foods alone.

                      i have been taking 1000mg a day for over a year, plus eating bone broth almost daily for 6 months and am only now beginning to feel like i can lower my magnesium dose.
                      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                      Ernest Hemingway

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                      • #71
                        enter your daily intake into paleotrack.com
                        Iirc, it's around 6 cups of raw chard (they cook down quite a bit) to get enough magnesium. of course you can have it in smoothies, soups, sauteed in butter, or whatever, but i choose to eat it in one or two meals as a side.

                        So whether or not a particular magnesium supplement works for you, it's pretty much decided by if it gives you the runs?
                        I think so. I was getting leg cramps, headaches, and was constipated. and yet a half dose of MagCalm (magnesium citrate) would give me the runs the next day (though i'd sleep well then night i took it). some people prefer other forms of magnesium because it doesn't cause this problem so easily.

                        Did you notice or diagnose a magnesium deficiency for yourself and thus implemented the diet changes accordingly, and noticed improvements?
                        no lab tests or anything, just guess and try things out. i do feel like i retain water better when I eat enough greens every day for a few days; then i have no cramps, muscle soreness after small efforts, regular bowel function, i sleep better, and I can drink more water without having to pee every 5 minutes.

                        however, with this insane heat and humidity, i'm getting leg cramps again, and the headaches have come back, but are different (instead of coming and just staying, they're sort of randomly occurring). so now i'm keeping my greens intake at its high level, but also taking a pinch of Celtic gray sea salt several times a day. Today is the first day, and i'm tolerating the heat much better and also sweating more (which is really good as i usually just get red and overheat but little to no sweat). so for me, the solution to my symptoms seems to be salt+greens (sodium, potassium, and magnesium are the key nutrients).
                        my primal journal:
                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                          For me, ditching gluten helped with my migraines, but I was still getting them. Tho Boyfriend and I did a bunch of research and found out about magnesium tried it and it helped.

                          Yeah, it can make you a little "loose" if you take a higher dose. But if I take less than my current 800 mg, the migraines get more frequent and my legs get twitchy at night. I fix the poop issue by taking 400 mg in the morning and 400 mg at night. Seems to work pretty well that way.

                          For me, efficacy and dose are based on the minimum level that makes any issues go away.
                          for me, i was taking around 150 mg once a day, still experiencing some of my symptoms (only constipation and insomnia improved; muscle cramps and headaches were still present), and getting the runs. i'm not sure why it's different for different people, but for me it didn't work even at a low dose. i still keep it around because once in a while i just NEED it to sleep, but it seems to wash more minerals out so i have to do damage control the next day.
                          my primal journal:
                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Saoirse View Post
                            enter your daily intake into paleotrack.com
                            Iirc, it's around 6 cups of raw chard (they cook down quite a bit) to get enough magnesium.
                            this is fine for getting your rda, but doesn't speak to building back up from a deficiency.
                            As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                            Ernest Hemingway

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                              this is fine for getting your rda, but doesn't speak to building back up from a deficiency.
                              i'm not sure how that works; where magnesium is stored. Is it stored in bones? how much can a body take in at a time? i suppose you might need to consume a diet high in magnesium and take some supplements if that's what concerns you. i'm fine with just the cessation of my symptoms. my assumption is that if i'm getting an adequate amount of magnesium and other minerals from my diet, my bones will recover over time simply because bones are being continuously destroyed and replenished as a normal body function.
                              my primal journal:
                              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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                              • #75
                                I will give diet a shot, then introduce supplements as required. I'm really not a fan of supplemeneting but like it's been said perhaps it might be required to restore some balance. It's a shame jsut when i feel good in most symptoms new ones crop up and require attention. I will probably go with that oil i posted on the previous page, seems expensive for continued use though so i hope i can figure this thing out.

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