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  • #46
    Originally posted by Darthash View Post
    Well i live in australia, but i work in an office, i don't supplement D, but i have been thinking i probably should, though when they test for it, they say i get suffient amounts :S it's so confusing sometimes.
    no need to be confused

    Can you find out your level? And the units used to measure? ie 40 ng/mL or 40 nmol/L? Lab 'norms' don't mean much but specific numbers can tell us alot.

    Same for your calcium numbers.

    If you truly are hypercalcemic you really can't supplement extra D until you figure out why you're hyper calcemic. I'd want more info regarding parathyroid hormone levels. it's worth considering.


    K



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    • #47
      Egg shells contain both calcium and magnesium, they are very close to human teeth in composition. This site describes how to make calcium citrate from egg shells:

      http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/supp2.php

      For myself, I've been grinding egg shells in a coffee grinder (I've also been doing this with clam shells and mussel shells). When I make one cup of coffee, I put a quarter of a tea spoon of crushed egg shell powder with my coffee grounds. The calcium carbonate from the shell neutralizes some of the acids that occur in coffee:

      http://www.coffeeresearch.org/science/sourmain.htm

      I find that the coffee tastes so much better. The coffee filter keeps out the larger pieces of the egg shells out of my coffee so I only get dissolved calcium & magnesium in my coffee. I got the idea after reading about old timers preparing coffee with eggshells to improve the taste.

      When make a fruit and veggie smoothie. For about a liter's worth, I also put i about a quarter of a teaspoon of eggshells into it before blending.

      If you are worried about salmonella, you can bake the eggshells in the oven at 350 for 15 minutes to kill the bacteria.

      Also: Human cultures that don't have easy access to dairy products will often get their calcium and magnesium by consuming soups and sauces that have bones in them. For example, you can buy a soup bone and make soup with it. Also, if making spaghetti sauce, you an put a bone into it or a sea shell (like from a clam or oyster). Tomato sauce is pretty acidic, if you put an oyster shell into it, it will be bleached white when you remove it.

      I suppose another way to get calcium in your tomato sauce is to make a hard boiled egg in your spaghetti sauce. The acid in the sauce will dissolve the calcium from the tomato sauce.

      Since pasta is grains, you may want to substitute the pasta for shredded yellow sauerkraut. It will have a similar texture although the taste will be more pronounced.

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      • #48
        @acteon: i've been doing the eggshell thing lately. i'll have to try it in our egg drink (my girls are nowhere to be found when i bring in the spoon) LOL!
        Red meat is not bad for you. Now blue-green meat, that's bad for you! ~Tommy Smothers

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        • #49
          I just opened a capsule of magnesium citrate and poured it on my tongue (Constipated ) - the chemists here will understand when I say "OUCH! HOT STUFF!)

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          • #50
            Canned sardines and canned salmon contain the fish bones and they have become soft and chewable as a result of the canning process. Eating those fish bones is another way to get your calcium / magnesium.

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            • #51
              Keep in mind that with optimal vitamin D levels (which we should all have b/c we're testing and treating, right?), calcium needs are much lower. And in those that eat dairy, supplementing calcium and magnesium together is generally not a good idea. Many will need only magnesium. Many won't even need that.



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              • #52
                If you don't want to supplement in Magnesium but still want a good source that won't give you extra calcium, you can eat raw dandelion leaves.

                http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/2441/2

                Radishes are also a good source of Magnesium, (you get calcium too though).

                http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/2606/2

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                • #53
                  i'm thinking anyone new to this lifestyle should probably be supplementing with cal/mag especially just coming from SAD. may take awhile to replenish their nutrients. i've been primal for quite sometime and still take my mag. the difference is amazing;-)
                  Red meat is not bad for you. Now blue-green meat, that's bad for you! ~Tommy Smothers

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                  • #54
                    I added magnesium to my supplements today. 1000 mg.
                    "Don't dream it, be it"

                    -Dr. Frank-N-Furter

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                    • #55
                      Reviving this thread because it seems timely.

                      I've been supplementing 400 mg of Mag Citrate one hour before bed for the last 6 weeks:
                      • I am now sleeping through the night most nights.
                      • Eliminated menstrual cramping with an additional 400 mg.
                      • Am able to up my carbs to 70-80 g/day and easily drop body fat (with a calorie deficit, of course!)--previously, I needed to keep my carbs below 30 to lose.

                      I hope Cillakat & Stabby will chime in with any new info--or start a new thread!
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                      • #56
                        Just wanted to say I have long had restless leg syndrome. I have been popping magnesium regularly, with only limited improvement. I've heard the problem is magnesium tends to not be well absorbed. I recently started taking Natural Calm, which Robb Wolf talks about--it's magnesium in a highly absorbable powdered form.

                        My RLS seems to be completely gone, just like that. *snaps fingers* I can hardly believe it.

                        This is what I got. It is delicious. You mix it in with your water. I am still not straight about the whole magnesium+calcium issue, so I went with the version without the added calcium.

                        Peter Gillham's Natural Vitality, Natural Calm, The Anti-Stress Drink, Organic Raspberry-Lemon Flavor, 16 oz (453 g) - iHerb.com

                        ETA: It's supposed to be helpful with sleep as well. My head hits the pillow and I'm out like a light anyway, so I have not noticed any changes in that regard.
                        Last edited by TigerLily; 03-28-2011, 07:01 PM.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                          Reviving this thread because it seems timely.

                          I've been supplementing 400 mg of Mag Citrate one hour before bed for the last 6 weeks:
                          I am now sleeping through the night most nights.
                          Eliminated menstrual cramping with an additional 400 mg.
                          Am able to up my carbs to 70-80 g/day and easily drop body fat (with a calorie deficit, of course!)--previously, I needed to keep my carbs below 30 to lose.

                          I hope Cillakat & Stabby will chime in with any new info--or start a new thread!
                          Hey! Glad you're taking magnesium and tolerating that amount of Mg Citrate. It's cheap and well absorbed - if one can tolerate it. I'd be in the bathroom literally all night long. Woo hoo!

                          For menstrual cramps, my experience has been the same, I can take mg instead of motrin - it's phenominal. Jigsaw Health mg is time released, each caplet is 125mg...I carry a bunch in my pocket at all times and take as needed. lol

                          You may find carb variability important over the long term for reasons i don't feel like typing out right now.

                          Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                          Just wanted to say I have long had restless leg syndrome. I have been popping magnesium regularly, with only limited improvement. I've heard the problem is magnesium tends to not be well absorbed. I recently started taking Natural Calm, which Robb Wolf talks about--it's magnesium in a highly absorbable powdered form.
                          It's just mg citrate - with the absorption of any mg citrate. Mag citrate pills and caps will have the same absorption rate as long as your stomach acidity is appropriately digesting food.

                          My RLS seems to be completely gone, just like that. *snaps fingers* I can hardly believe it.
                          Pretty cool isn't it? RLS, anxiety, sleep issues, fibromyalgia, muscle tension, cardiac arrhythmia can all be dramatically improved by adding appropriate doses of magnesium. Emily Deans made a funny comment the other day about magnesium being one of the few things that you could add on it's own to a diet of twinkies and see improvement in mood, sleep and cardiac rhythm. I think the other was fish oil.

                          I'd caution folks that something like 50% cannot tolerate mg citrate - but it's cheap and well absorbed so it's a good place to start. If it doesn't work, it didn't break the bank.

                          Here are some other options (the plain now foods powder is nearly half the cost of the natural calm but it has no flavor added):

                          Now Foods, Magnesium Citrate, 100% Pure Powder, 8 oz (227 g) - iHerb.com
                          Source Naturals, Magnesium Citrate, 133 mg, 180 Capsules - iHerb.com

                          Here's what I use:
                          Sustained Release Magnesium Supplements | Jigsaw Magnesium w/SRT | Jigsaw Health

                          If I could tolerate anything cheaper, you can bet I wouldn't be using a magnesium product that costs me $20-$30/month. Buying 3-4 bottles at a time gets the best price, free shipping and/or $10 coupons are always available (via jigsaw emails, facebook posts etc), and since two friends take it as well, buying such a large amount at a time makes sense.

                          best,
                          Katherine



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                          • #58
                            I take a triple magnesium from Swanson Vitamins that is a 400mg combo of oxide-citrate-aspartate which works wonderfully for my migraines. Also take calcium since they work together. I was astounded after nearly forty years of severe migraines (always carry two different presciptions with me, +calmag now) that no doctor ever mentioned it, and I guess I was just not attending to the info on the internet, but for about a year now when I feel the first signs of a headache I take one of these and the magnesium nearly always stops it. This was like a miracle to me. I lived in dread of a full blown three day migraine. I think back to all that lost time lying in a quiet dark room in such pain that I would have taken anything to get rid of it, and a simple dose of magnesium would have made such a difference.
                            This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it. Ralph Waldo Emerson

                            Any given day you are surrounded by 10,000 idiots.
                            Lao Tsu, founder of Taoism

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                            • #59
                              You may find carb variability important over the long term for reasons i don't feel like typing out right now.
                              Thanks, Katherine! I'd be interested in reading about this (in another thread?) if you decide to share.

                              As it is, I seem to vary my low carb and higher carb days naturally. IFing has made a huge difference for me (maybe the magnesium, too?) in listening to what my body truly needs.
                              Last edited by Dragonfly; 04-02-2011, 11:44 AM.
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                              • #60
                                I am also varying my carbs from day to day/week to week and IFing, intentionally going in and out of ketosis -- throwing my body some curveballs. She's responding so beautifully. I'm convinced it's encoded in our DNA. Thank God I found this.
                                "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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