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  • #16
    For those of you who use/have used magnesium oil: how do you know how much magnesium you're getting? I've been taking magnesium chelate but only 100 mg; I'd like to boost my intake but I already have the GI effects from 300 mg.
    Last edited by say_rahhh; 07-02-2010, 12:44 PM.
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    • #17
      Good thoughts. It makes a world of difference. Going to go put Epsom salts in my bath right now.

      Anybody got a reaction to taking Epsom salts in water by mouth? One does get a laxative effect if you take too much, but I find it gets into my system faster than any other form. Also it is almost dirt cheap.

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      • #18
        Im doing epsom salt baths which I also really enjoy, gets a super nice sweat from it.

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        • #19
          Robeil:

          No prescription is required. There are oils and gels available. My choice, just because it isn't so messy, is the gel. A small dab on a nickel sized bandaid would work. Some sources could be :

          http://www.bioinnovations.net/prodin...number=BN63405

          http://www.needs.com

          An internet search would yield more.


          cillakat:

          I am happy that you found a solution to your need.

          If you are very concerned about additives, perhaps you should investigate the ingredients list. Does it include only the nutrient or does it include the nutrient and the enteric matrix.

          From Wikipedia:
          Materials used for enteric coatings include fatty acids, waxes, shellac and plastics, plant fibers.

          Most people who are very concerned about purity usually restrict enteric systems to a bee's wax matrix. Hopefully, your contents list is completely open and includes the enteric coating.

          Note: This is meant to be helpful.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by federkeil View Post
            I take a Cal-mag complex supplement daily : 1000mg Calcium (citrate/carbonate/phosphate), 500mg Magnesium (oxide/citrate), 250mg Phosphorus
            there's some interesting info coming out regarding vitamin D sufficiency and calcium dosing. Because vitamin D sufficiency improves (dramatically) the absorption of calcium in our gut, 1000 mg per day is too much for a D sufficient person. It may be that 600 mg calcium is sufficient....it may even be much less than that. As of yet, no one knows what is sufficient but it is clear that 1000 mg is too much once we optimize D.



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            • #21
              Originally posted by cillakat View Post
              there's some interesting info coming out regarding vitamin D sufficiency and calcium dosing. Because vitamin D sufficiency improves (dramatically) the absorption of calcium in our gut, 1000 mg per day is too much for a D sufficient person. It may be that 600 mg calcium is sufficient....it may even be much less than that. As of yet, no one knows what is sufficient but it is clear that 1000 mg is too much once we optimize D.
              perhaps. i haven't had any visibly negative side effects from this supplement. It could be simply I need more Cal than most people because my bone structure is so much larger - I'm 6'7" with a broad frame.
              I didn't like the rules you gave me, so I made some of my own.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by federkeil View Post
                My library has the 2003 version (2006 is "updated"), I'm gonna check it out
                I read through the book, it's an easy read and provides information on symptoms of mag deficiency. It also says to work up your dose of mag in stages, and once you get the diuretic effect it means you're taking too much (start at 100mg and increase by 100mg every 5-7 days till you get to where you need to be). Also has suggested daily mag intake, 3 - 4.5 mg/lb (for me that's 800mg-1000mg roughly).

                She also states a supplementation ratio of 1000mg Cal to 600mg Mag daily as being optimal, but says that a body ratio of Cal:Mag being 1:1 as optimal.

                To reply to Cillakat again, i think proper Cal:Mag ratios are more important than total numbers (once you reach a certain point), kinda like O6:O3 ratios.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by federkeil View Post

                  She also states a supplementation ratio of 1000mg Cal to 600mg Mag daily as being optimal, but says that a body ratio of Cal:Mag being 1:1 as optimal.

                  To reply to Cillakat again, i think proper Cal:Mag ratios are more important than total numbers (once you reach a certain point), kinda like O6:O3 ratios.
                  I would have agreed even 3 weeks ago. It's very new information and based on my sources (bruce hollis, wiliam davis, john cannell), I'm inclined to believe it.

                  Chances are we wouldn't notice any negative symtoms for a long long time, all while damage is occuring.

                  The bottom line for me, what it *always* goes back to is the question of "what would have occured in the environment of evolutionary adaptation?"

                  It would have been impossible to get anywhere near 1000 mg of calcium.



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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by piano-doctor-lady View Post
                    Almost forgot to mention --- if Grok lived near a warm seashore, he'd get plenty of magnesium by swimming in the ocean. It just soaks through the skin. Plus his foods probably contained more than ours do, because many years of plowing and erosion had not depleted the soils of minerals.
                    That is really interesting--I didn't know that mag. was absorbed through the skin!
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                      I would have agreed even 3 weeks ago. It's very new information and based on my sources (bruce hollis, wiliam davis, john cannell), I'm inclined to believe it.

                      It would have been impossible to get anywhere near 1000 mg of calcium.
                      do you have any links for me to peruse?

                      I still think ratio is more important than quantity
                      I didn't like the rules you gave me, so I made some of my own.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by federkeil View Post
                        do you have any links for me to peruse?

                        I still think ratio is more important than quantity
                        If you search the following you'll proabably come up with it. I've posted it in other places on the forum too.
                        heartscan blog calcium vitamin-d (william davis)
                        vitamindcouncil.org calcium

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                        Katherine



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                        • #27
                          "Magnesium miracle" is actually a pretty accurate phrase. It is kind of sad that the diets of so many people are devoid of the nutrients that are needed to function properly. I take 400mg as a supplement and get another 200ish from food.
                          Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                          Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Eklecktika View Post
                            I use magnesium oil from ancient minerals mixed with DMSO to speed absorbtion (impatient) and take a mag glycinate supp.
                            Just fyi, I made my own mag oil using nigari flakes (bought them online for $1.89 a lb!) mixed w/ water. I'm LOVING it--I absolutely feel a difference every time I apply it. Like it MUCH better than the mag citrate I used to take orally.

                            Here is the method I used to make mag oil: http://www.ehow.com/how_5918363_make...-oil-pain.html

                            And the link where I got the nigari flakes: http://www.naturalimport.com/inc/sdetail/6922

                            This is hands down the most cost effective supplement I've ever used!!!!
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by piano-doctor-lady View Post
                              Almost forgot to mention --- if Grok lived near a warm seashore, he'd get plenty of magnesium by swimming in the ocean. It just soaks through the skin. Plus his foods probably contained more than ours do, because many years of plowing and erosion had not depleted the soils of minerals.
                              This is something I love a/b using mag oil--each time I use it I imagine I was just taking a swim in the ocean, absorbing my minerals transdermally the way I was meant to. I get an immediate feeling of calm and relaxation when using it--it definitely works for me!
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                              • #30
                                Here in the UK it seems harder to find magnesium oxide at a reasonable price. However - I've found a site selling "Magnesium Oxide Horse Mineral Supplement" which claims to be a 100% pure substance designed for horses - which improves insulin resistance, apart from other things! Do you think this would be OK to use as magnesium oil????!! I don't know why, I just feel slightly dubious about using horse supplements - silly, really!

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