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  • Primal vs. Paleo

    I'm eating, as far as I can tell, a mixture of Primal and Paleo having not read the book on either. I'm reading more and more on this blog and really like what I'm reading. I definitely want to read the Primal Blueprint as soon as I can get a hold of it. I also would like to read the book on Paleo. Until that time, can anyone who has experience or knowledge of both tell me what the main differences between Paleo and Primal are? I can't see much of one in what I've read thus far. Are they close enough that there isn't much of a distinction? Thanks!
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    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/whats...mal-and-paleo/

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    • #3
      The PB book is fabulous. Cordain's paleo book is a snoozefest...I have to check and see if Rob Wolf's book is ready to order yet...I'm way behind in the podcast.
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      • #4
        The "official" paleo book isn't really worth reading imo. Cordain made too many concessions at the pressure of his publisher (diet soda is ok, limit eggs, etc). The actual practices between paleo and primal only differ in dairy as far as I'm aware.

        Even with respect to dairy, they seem to be converging a bit. Butter seems to be grudgingly accepted in paleo with most people now, although cheese is still out.

        All in all, the differences are very minor, and for the most part I think starting with a clean 30 days of strict "paleo" is a good idea, and then reintroduce the questionable things to see how you react to them.

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        • #5
          The main differences I've noticed are:
          1) the role of dairy (paleo says no go, primal says its ok in moderate quantities if you're not lactose intolerant/sensitive to it)
          2) fat consumption (paleo limits this, primal encourages lots of it)
          3) whether "artificial"/non-sugar sweeteners are ok (paleo says they're ok, primal says they should be extremely limited)

          -- also -- the primal blueprint has a lot to say about aspects of life outside of diet, such as exercise, sun exposure, etc.

          My lifestyle is a hybrid between the two, I guess. Just go with what works for you
          Subduction leads to orogeny

          My blog that I don't update as often as I should: http://primalclimber.blogspot.com/

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          • #6
            The reason I migrated from paleo to PB was the different takes on fat consumption. Cordain discourages eating lamb. That's when I knew there was trouble. Paleo peoples weren't concerned with only getting the lean cuts at the butcher counter.

            Also, the 40/30/30 on carb/fat/protein calories was not working for me. I was paying tons of attention to calories and ended up overeating and always being hungry.

            But the main difference, for me, is the community. And I don't really mean support, since I'm new here and haven't made any connections yet. I like the community because, rather than a book by a doctor that doesn't really allow for discussion, this place is constantly updated by tons and tons of people who are interested in both research and anecdote. I feel more confident about the information I get here, because if it's wrong, the poster will likely get called out, or a differing study/opinion will be presented. Cordain just has books.

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            • #7
              The main useful thing, for me, were the paleo plan menus. I adjusted them (a lot) adding in lot of fat, taking out a bunch of carbs. But still it gave me a good starting point.
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              • #8
                I really dislike how the term paleo is thought to mean Cordain's Paleo Diet, as there are LOTS of folks eating strict paleo out there that love good fat and wouldn't touch canola oil or an artificial sweetener w/ a ten foot pole.

                This is one of the best paleo resources I've found: http://paleodiet.com/definition.htm

                What Is The Paleo Diet?

                Paleo is a simple dietary lifestyle that is based on foods being either in or out. In are the Paleolithic Era foods that we ate prior to agriculture and animal husbandry (meat, fish, shellfish, eggs, tree nuts, vegetables, roots, fruit, berries, mushrooms, etc.). Out are Neolithic Era foods that result from agriculture or animal husbandry (grains, dairy, beans/legumes, potatoes, sugar and fake foods).
                And from http://paleofood.com/

                From the site:
                Recipes are: grain-free, bean-free, potato-free, dairy-free, and sugar-free.
                Ingredients used: meat, fish, eggs, fruit, vegetables, nuts, and berries.
                Defining it is actually pretty simple IMO. And I think macronutrients vary widely among various paleo folks.


                Differences between paleo (as I define it--NOT Cordain's paleo, which I don't think is really truly paleo) and primal are that:

                Paleo does not include dairy of any sort, while primal allows it.

                Paleo does not include any tubers except arrowroot (and I'm not positive why...some paleo folks probably avoid it) while primal allows for sweet potatoes in great moderation.

                Some paleo folks avoid all nightshades b/c they are a 'new world food', so not around long enough for any of us to evolve to eat them.


                IMO, that's it. Some folks are more strict than others. I consider myself loosely primal and paleo, mainly b/c I avoid most dairy due to food sensitivity issues (we do ghee here--which is absolutely NOT paleo ). I still eat dark chocolate, and had been eating tubers (but have been cutting them lately). I think of paleo as also being more strict than primal (w/ the PB there is the 80/20, on most of the paleo forums I've found folks are a lot more strict than folks here.) But I think it really depends on how each person chooses to use the ideas behind either diet/WOE. They are quite similar and basically based on the same principles.
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                • #9
                  Definately agree that Paleo placed bit much emphasis on low fat consumptions. PB is by far more rigourous and i would stick with it!! whether your goals are to improve health or weight loss your body requires saturated fat!!!!

                  I started off with Paleo and disagreed with the sweetner and fat stuff (the general gist was ok) but PB is definately the way

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                  • #10
                    I think Robb Wolf is the more contemporary authority on Paleo diet (vs. Cordain) and he is big on sweet potatoes/yams, especially for the fit/active, but still limits nearly all dairy. His book will be released in September. Till then his podcasts are some of the best out there. I am simultaneously learning and being entertained. Also, as an RA sufferer, i appreciate how much time & attention he gives to autoimmune diseases.

                    I am proud to say I am one of the six devoted podcast listeners! HOLY CATS!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lolly View Post
                      I think Robb Wolf is the more contemporary authority on Paleo diet (vs. Cordain) and he is big on sweet potatoes/yams, especially for the fit/active, but still limits nearly all dairy. His book will be released in September.
                      Can't wait to read it!!
                      My Before/After Pics
                      Are you new here? Be sure to check these links FIRST, before reading anything on the forum! Succeed & PB 101

                      "I am a work in progress." -Ani DiFranco

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lolly View Post
                        I think Robb Wolf is the more contemporary authority on Paleo diet (vs. Cordain) and he is big on sweet potatoes/yams, especially for the fit/active, but still limits nearly all dairy. His book will be released in September. Till then his podcasts are some of the best out there. I am simultaneously learning and being entertained. Also, as an RA sufferer, i appreciate how much time & attention he gives to autoimmune diseases.

                        I am proud to say I am one of the six devoted podcast listeners! HOLY CATS!!!!
                        Is it September yet? LOL I'm probably 10 podcasts behind, but I agree that it's a great show. Sometimes he loses me with the crossfit stuff, but there's always more info that interest me than doesn't. I have a 9 hour road trip ahead of me this weekend so I'm looking forward to a Paleolithic Solutions marathon!!
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                        • #13
                          I have to say that I agree with Lolly.
                          I've read both Primal Blueprint and Robb Wolf's Primal Solution in the last month trying to reconcile any differences between the two systems and to decide which one to go for. As far as I can see they are both a different shade of the same Paleolithic colour. For me Robb Wolf is slightly more 'hardcore' and would, particularly, appeal to someone suffering from a lot of autoimmune problems (the eschewing of dairy in addition to dropping grains as an example) and as a bio chemist by trade his description of the digestive system and how the Primal/Paleo way impacts on that is excellent. However I do believe that Mark Sissons has it spot on for the 'average Joe' in that Primal/Paleo - call it what you like - is a lifestyle choice that goes much further than eating like our caveman ancestors and is much more appropriate for transferring to the modern world. I guess we could argue the minutia of which sytem is the best 'til the grass fed cows come home but the important message to get out there is that these systems work and the sooner it becomes mainstream, replaces conventional wisdom and is accepted by dotors and dieticians the better off the human race will be.

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                          • #14
                            well here is my take,for what it's worth (not much). role of dairy is open to me. i have dumped it. but,the masai and the steppe horse archers used it heavily. they weren't paleo,but likely would qualify as primal-no real mass agriculture. ghee has become acceptable. just easily acqired pure fat. getting clean pure animal fat is a struggle in our world. so,ghee works and is available commonly. the usefull role of fruit is in question,to me. nature's mars bar. early man did do it,for sure,but seasonal. very much lower in sugar than our manipulted varieties. honey too. paleo guy sucked it up like crazy,when he could. seasonal and a high risk undertaking for sure,in the wild. tubers? yea eaten in that time. different from what we have now-yea. my prejudise to accept "wild' rice is likey just that ,a prejudice. early man ate it. but,it was really wild and really hard to prepare. i just don't think there are any pat answers here or anywhere else. we have to think,study,network and educate. hopefully without being snotty or doctrinaire. we have seen where snotty and doctinaire have gotten us-an epedemic of DM,HTN and obesity.

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