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    So I'm reading a thread here about what you won't give up and I read a ton of people posting dairy.
    If you don't have a problem with lactose and you're using good sources, why would you want to give up cream, sour cream, et al? I don't get it?

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    In general, it's only the proteins that are a problem besides the lactose in quality dairy. There's mixed evidence about how problematic they might be, and some people choose to cut them out on that basis. I have no idea why someone would cut out dairy that's basically all fat other than making diet a religion.
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    • #3
      I was wondering this as well actually, I've just found a raw milk source and am going to be getting 4L every two weeks starting next wednesday - did I do a primal no-no?

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      • #4
        No, although you should be aware that milk (even healthy, nourishing, quality raw milk) is not really a great food for weight loss if that's one of your goals.
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        • #5
          I cut out dairy for a while because I was on Cordain's version of paleo, in which dairy=bad. Now I'm trying it out again. As long as I'm not eating gluten, I can handle it fine. I'm still pretty confused about it, and I don't have very much of it.

          Why isn't it a good food for weight loss?

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          • #6
            Highly insulinogenic and contains a variety of cellular proliferative factors. Great for muscle growth and great (within reason) for growing bodies, but this doesn't make for good weight loss material in most people.

            Incidentally, it's these cellular proliferative effects which are among those which concern dairy-phobes. It may (and I don't think it's entirely unreasonable, but I'm somewhat skeptical) be the case that pre-existing micro-tumors such as occur all the time in even perfectly healthy adults but are usually eliminated through a combination of induced apoptosis and immune action are exacerbated by this and tend to grow larger (and thus have a higher chance of containing a subset of cells which have the means to become malignant).
            Last edited by Molecular Grokologist; 06-25-2010, 03:54 PM.
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            • #7
              Dairy milk is meant to provide nourishment to very large and rapidly growing herbivorous animals. I am not such an animal, therefore, I rather prefer to eat said very large, herbivorous animal itself. I figure it must have been far easier for our ancient ancestors to kill an animal and eat it as opposed to chase one down and milk it. I do occasionally have full fat yogurt and cheese though and we never by milk.
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              • #8
                MG - is there anything special about milk that makes it great for building muscle?

                Btw, is there any danger to homogenized milk?
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                • #9
                  http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp

                  this may be the vegetarian in me speaking but they way they treat the cows is horrendous- if your asking specifically as to why milk is bad for human consumption, the web site also lists health related issues

                  http://www.milksucks.com/more.asp

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EReardo1 View Post
                    http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp

                    this may be the vegetarian in me speaking but they way they treat the cows is horrendous- if your asking specifically as to why milk is bad for human consumption, the web site also lists health related issues

                    http://www.milksucks.com/more.asp
                    Fortunately "they" does not include the small dairy farmer I buy my milk from.
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                    • #11
                      I can't believe no one has mentioned casein!

                      Yes lactose can be a problem, some people can handle it and some can't. According to our evolution we weren't designed to digest lactose after weening age, let alone the milk of another animal (which requires four stomachs to do the job!)

                      But even if you can tolerate lactose, casein causes other problems. Its a really slow digesting protein, body builders like this because the protein is realesed into the blood gradually, but it can cause digestion problems in general. The protein in milk is the same protein used to make many powerful wood glues! Casein also contains opioid peptides like wheat protein (gluten) which have addictive properties and a bunch of other negatives which you can google
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by supersellen View Post
                        Fortunately "they" does not include the small dairy farmer I buy my milk from.
                        Amen supersellen, long live local raw milk!

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                        • #13
                          @ rockstareddy

                          Yes, although gut casein tolerance in the absence of gluten is enormously improved. I'm unconvinced that anything other than a casein protein powder supplement or a heavy dairy diet is going to have much of an effect on a non-leaky gut.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by EReardo1 View Post

                            this may be the vegetarian in me speaking but they way they treat the cows is horrendous- if your asking specifically as to why milk is bad for human consumption, the web site also lists health related issues
                            I'm as choosy with my choice of milk suppliers as I am with any other animal product, so I'm not too concerned. Living in Seattle makes it easy to find trustworthy sources, because people here are into that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Molecular Grokologist View Post

                              Yes, although gut casein tolerance in the absence of gluten is enormously improved.
                              I absolutely found this to be the case. In the absence of gluten and in the presence of optimal levels of 25(OH)D, my gut can tolerate just about anything. For better or worse. LOL.

                              *whispers that even with significant gluten cheats over the last year (in this diagnosed celiac), it appears that several years of optimal 25(OH)D levels have worked to halt all autoimmune reactions from which this poster once suffered*



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