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  • What to tell the Non-believers?

    So i've been primal now for a few months and now that my family can obviously see my weight loss, they want to hop aboard. I took my time tp gather as much info as I could for them...I even made a power point( Im a super geek, I know ) I feel that its much easier to set your mind to do something if you fully understand the process rather then me just telling them dont eat that or dont eat this. However they still challenge me on some things, I was hoping you guys couls help me with some rebuttals

    1) They ask why they can't have a piece of bread here or there as long as they stay under whatever number of carbs they decided to limit themselves to.
    I don't have a good answer for this, i don't know if they can or can't...i know it's not primal but a carbs a carb right, in the end they all break down to glucose. So for sake of a diet can they do this? I mean i don't bother with any grains because I don't trust myself to stop at one piece of bread or 2oz of pasta. I mean Tom Naughton lost weight limiting his carbs while eating micky D's for a month. So any ideas on what to tell them aside from eat a piece of bread and you'll explode...because that didn't work.

    2) the other big one is and please do imagine it in the whiniest, snottiest voice possible. "but then why does weight watchers work or the people on biggest loser??hmmm?"
    Again I don't know!! I did weight watchers, I lost weight, I was never hungry...I dont know why it works, and I mean all the people that work there have lost weight and kept it off... I like what we are doing here way better and feel better but i just wish there was an easy answer to give to people who frown apon this Vs that. I also think biggest loser is a joke...they stave those people and make then work out to they vomit...sounds fun right. Plus I dont think they are honest about thier time line.

    So please my friends what do you say to people who want to know "how did you lose the weight" but then they don't like your answer...PS i do enjoy carrying around a print out of my starting blod results and my recent

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    First of all, the grains are like eating poison. There's a blog post Mark did about this at http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/ - go read that.

    The reason that WW or "The Biggest Loser" works for a little while is caloric restriction. Caloric restriction always leads to weight loss at first. But when focusing only on weight loss and not health (as many people do), the difference between those and the way we eat is that WW and TBL do not produce sustainable weight loss. Have you felt that ravenous craving OMG-I-gotta-eat-cookies-NOW-or-I-will-DIE hunger on PB since you got over the low-carb flu/carb withdrawal? No? And yet, people on WW and on the Biggest Loser-type shows feel that all the time. Doesn't sound like a bargain to me!

    Hand them a copy of the PB, and tell them to come back and talk to you when they've read it.
    Last edited by Griff; 06-23-2010, 09:16 AM.
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    • #3
      !! I do really enjoy the folks who save thier points for a pile of junk at night lol...um hello??? I agree with the craving totally...one day i was fed up with it all, since my weight had stayed the same for some time. I huffed down that cookie aisle with the worst intentions of finishing an entire box of whatever looked good, but nothing looked good at all! I walked right by and gabbed a grass fed roasted chicken and ate the legs in the car . I couldnt even convince myself to eat an oreo...that was the exact moment I knew this was my new life!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Griff View Post
        First of all, the grains are like eating poison. There's a blog post Mark did about this at http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/ - go read that.

        The reason that WW or "The Biggest Loser" works for a little while is caloric restriction. Caloric restriction always leads to weight loss at first. But when focusing only on weight loss and not health (as many people do), the difference between those and the way we eat is that WW and PBL do not produce sustainable weight loss. Have you felt that ravenous craving OMG-I-gotta-eat-cookies-NOW-or-I-will-DIE hunger on PB since you got over the low-carb flu/carb withdrawal? No? And yet, people on WW and on the Biggest Loser-type shows feel that all the time. Doesn't sound like a bargain to me!

        Hand them a copy of the PB, and tell them to come back and talk to you when they've read it.
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        • #5
          I tell the non-believers that a vegetarian/whole grain diet is the way to go. I dont need them jacking up meat prices.
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            oh speaking of grains being poison, my primal 5 year old told my friends son that his Mommy feeds him sandwhichs because she doesn't love him. Not a nice thing for a 5 year old to say but while we were making the switch to primal he would ask why we had to eat this way instead of the old way and I would simply tell him it was because I loved him. Well he took it to mean the opposite was also true. Iafter many apologies to his little now crying friend I had to laugh a little to myself in the car ride home

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              Meat IS love <B<B<B
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              • #8
                Always hard breaking people of their mindset. Occasionally my wife's family will put out these "health" e-mails to see how everyone is doing and what has been working for people etc (a few of them are quite over weight, a few of them are in the slightly overweight, and then you have my wife and me at the last 5-10 lb state). They're always comical because it's insane to hear what comes from them. I try to not preach, but it gets tough....I once even had to debate why bread came to popularity and that doesn't make it good for you vs why bread is referred to as the staff of life.... So it takes time....it just takes time. I had some bias coming into paleo/primal that I couldn't overcome until I was willing to try changing... Most people need results for themselves before they're willing to accept something....it's just getting them over the hump of trying something new.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MeatMe216 View Post
                  I tell the non-believers that a vegetarian/whole grain diet is the way to go. I dont need them jacking up meat prices.
                  I love that! Great attitude.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nellie View Post
                    ...my primal 5 year old told my friends son that his Mommy feeds him sandwhichs because she doesn't love him...
                    Now I don't have kids, and can understand why this is a 'bad thing' to happen... but honestly I think this is the funniest/most awesome thing I've heard hahaha
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                    • #11
                      http://www.diet-blog.com/07/the_bigg...e_they_now.php

                      just for an example. in addition to what griff said, the biggest loser exists to satiate america's "i want it all to happen right now" attitude, and not really focusing on life changes that require more time to implement, but result in sustainable life long results. if they really cared about that, one season of TBL would last, like, 5 years.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nellie View Post
                        1) They ask why they can't have a piece of bread here or there as long as they stay under whatever number of carbs they decided to limit themselves to.

                        I mean i don't bother with any grains because I don't trust myself to stop at one piece of bread or 2oz of pasta.
                        The thought in the second sentence is the answer to the question in the first. They may not like that answer, in which case, they are free to have a slice of bread every now and then. If through the elimination process they discover an adverse reaction to grains, or dairy, or sugar, or whatever, then they will stop eating it, hopefully. Dr. Eades recently photographed a patrami sandwich he bought. He at half a piece of bread. It's not going to kill you. Lots of centenarians got there eating a little bread. Those you are trying to help have cultures like Italy and France to throw in your face, so be reasonable.

                        I had the same kind of fights two weeks into being primal. No one would listen. 7 weeks in, and lots of results, and them doing their own research, to confirm what I've been saying, and I have a couple converts. What's even better is I have several playing with primal ideas in the closet. They don't want to admit that I was right, but they are sure watching their diets much more closely. That's the power of the example.

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                        • #13
                          1) They ask why they can't have a piece of bread here or there as long as they stay under whatever number of carbs they decided to limit themselves to.
                          I'd share w/ them links to PB 101, esp the def. guide to grains. Grains contain toxic substances and do more harm than good. Some folks, like the Drs. Eades, contain bread in their lower carb, semi primal diets, and I guess that works for some. My dad follows the Eade's Protein Power Lifeplan, and eats one peice of bread a day, and it's working for him/what he wants (to lower blood pressure. I think he'd be better off w/out the bread at all, but that is just my path--I really like being grain free.) Why is it not included in the Primal Blueprint? Because eating bread is not primal--paleolithic folks would NOT have been eating bread. We have not evolved to eat bread. But it's up to each of us what we want to eat--they can really have whatever they want.

                          Sounds to me like you've already done a ton for them. But it is their choice what they want to put in their bodies, and after sharing the basic info, I'd say, "if you want to know more, check out these sites" and leave it at that. I totally agree w/ this:
                          Hand them a copy of the PB, and tell them to come back and talk to you when they've read it.
                          If folks are *really* interested in learning about a new WOE, they will take responsibility for their own health when presented with information (like the MDA site or PB book) and look into it. I feel it's not my responsibility to prove anything to anyone--the results of primal living in my own vibrancy and body speak for themselves. If they are really interested, they'll come around in time. (And many do...)

                          2) the other big one is and please do imagine it in the whiniest, snottiest voice possible. "but then why does weight watchers work or the people on biggest loser??hmmm?"
                          I'd tell them I don't believe it really works, at least statistically speaking. (I don't have the source, but I believe only 5% of folks who go on caloric restriction diets lose weight and keep it off long term.) And there is tons of info on why in _Good Calories, Bad Calories_, which they could also read and then talk to you about as well if they are so inclined.
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                          • #14
                            On Robb Wolf's podcast a week or two ago he mentioned a researcher that believes it takes the gut about 6 months to completely heal from gluten damage. Even the more conservative estimates of ~10 weeks for your gut to heal are enough for me to never even consider cheating with gluten.

                            That piece of bread every now and then is likely to keep your gut in a constant state of trying to repair gluten damage.

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                            • #15
                              I've been telling people that Primal is all about nutritional science. Eating Primal means getting all the nutrients and vitamins that your body needs to be healthy, not just lean. That seems to satisfy most of their questions. People can't seem to wrap their heads around the no grain part though. They seem to think we've been eating bread for millions of years.

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