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    So there seems to be a little bit of hype regarding Mark's recent posts on carb refeeding that left me with more questions than answers.

    This is what I got out of it:

    1. Primal carb refeeds are good for resetting leptin levels.
    2. Carb refeeds could be useful in losing some stubborn fat and therefore helping shed the last few pounds
    3. Carb refeeds are not really recommended for everyone.

    I'm still dealing with some stubborn fat from the good old days and I was wondering whether this could help. The Warrior Diet which I followed for a long time advocated eating gluten-free carbs and legumes once or twice a week, and I would posit that this recommendation is for that very same reason.

    Honestly, sometimes I feel like the more I read within the forums and posts, the more confused I get about what to eat and what not to eat.

    Nuts are smart fuels: nuts offset your omega balances and lead to inflammation and weight gain (i gave up nuts)

    Eggs are smart fuels: eggs should be limited to only a few a day because they have O6

    Pork and chicken are good protein sources: pork and chicken have omega 6's (i can't give up bacon!)

    Carbs cause insulin spikes which drive fat gain: carb refeeds aid in weight loss

    Calorie restriction will damage metabolism: a calorie deficit is required to lose weight

    calories don't matter: calories do matter

    Dairy causes inflammation in most people: dairy is a good source of fat and protein (just started my give up dairy for a month test)

    Whenever an argument is presented, there is always a counterargument that follows. I am a bit perplexed over the issues and I have been trying to shed off some of that last belly fat in order to see that six pack underneath (there is a pretty solid outline forming, although padding is still present).

    What's a guy to do?
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    Here it is, your moment of zen.

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  • #2
    I think it's up to us as individuals to find our way through the contradictions and opinions. Like you, I refuse to give up bacon. I had pretty much given it up for years before PB. Never again. If I have to eliminate every other damned food on the planet, so be it!

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    • #3
      I think you should quit trying to lose weight, and instead hit the gym, bulk up, and get stronger. That's what I'm doing.
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      • #4
        That's been the plan recently. I'm still combating some psychological demons regarding my weight, but I have been focusing on maintaining a solid training program.

        I lift weights for 30 minutes three days a week, ride my bike everywhere sprint, and just stay active in general (I work at a summer camp so playing kickball and soccer with kids is a great way to work and get a workout at the same time).

        I'm still concerned about losing weight due to those psychological ills I still maintain. Its easier said than done to just 'get over it' and they may never fully leave.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by cerebelumsdayoff View Post
          That's been the plan recently. I'm still combating some psychological demons regarding my weight, but I have been focusing on maintaining a solid training program.

          I lift weights for 30 minutes three days a week, ride my bike everywhere sprint, and just stay active in general (I work at a summer camp so playing kickball and soccer with kids is a great way to work and get a workout at the same time).

          I'm still concerned about losing weight due to those psychological ills I still maintain. Its easier said than done to just 'get over it' and they may never fully leave.
          Definitely. I get depressed when I look in the mirror and see how much muscle I lost and how much fat I retained... I really wanted to get this out of the way before I start bulking again, but ah, fuck it. I lost too much time already.

          How is your omega 6 - omega 3 intake by the way? It's the only damn thing I haven't tweaked in my diet. I'm going to be experimenting with it this week and see what that gives me... I'll let you know if there's any change.

          Another thing - iodine. I've started eating seaweed for it. Supposedly it is crucial for your thyroid.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rphlslv View Post
            Definitely. I get depressed when I look in the mirror and see how much muscle I lost and how much fat I retained... I really wanted to get this out of the way before I start bulking again, but ah, fuck it. I lost too much time already.

            How is your omega 6 - omega 3 intake by the way? It's the only damn thing I haven't tweaked in my diet. I'm going to be experimenting with it this week and see what that gives me... I'll let you know if there's any change.

            Another thing - iodine. I've started eating seaweed for it. Supposedly it is crucial for your thyroid.
            Interesting suggestion. I love seaweed. In fact, seaweed + salmon would be a great way to balance omega 3s and get iodine at the same time.

            I've actually been addressing omega issues. I cut out nuts a while ago and have now been avoiding dairy to see what that does. I also take salmon oil pills every night. Hopefully that kicks in sometime soon.

            I know that feeling of looking in the mirror. It sucks: after all the hard work that you put into your life the results are not as dramatic as you would hope
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            • #7
              I suggest you get some liquid fish oil. Going to have to reorder some more soon.

              http://www.amazon.com/Carlson-Finest...7265103&sr=8-1

              If you keep your O6 to less than 5 grams a day, and take just one tablespoon of oil, (4.8 grams of O3, very hard to get that amount in pills) you basically have 1:1. And you can look for cheap wild sardines canned in water (olive oil has O6) and eat tons of that.

              I just looked your picture on your log. You have no apparent weight to lose, so don't stress it.
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              • #8
                ^ Olive oil actually contains little O6, it shouldn't offset the balance unless you drink it by the pint. Sunflower oil is much more of a problem, and unfortunately this is what sardines usually come with in my local stores.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia View Post
                  ^ Olive oil actually contains little O6
                  It depends. O6 in Olive oil can vary from 3.5% to 21%. So it can be bad, depending on which Olive oil you are consuming.

                  http://www.oliveoilsource.com/page/c...haracteristics

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cerebelumsdayoff View Post
                    I've actually been addressing omega issues. I cut out nuts a while ago and have now been avoiding dairy to see what that does.
                    Dairy contains very little PUFA < 4%. Even if it is all O6, its not going to be much unless you are eating a lot of it.

                    I believe that the ratio of O6:O3 is important when you consider the total consumption for the day. Ratio in individual elements does not matter.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rphlslv View Post
                      If you keep your O6 to less than 5 grams a day.
                      I think 5grams of O6 is plenty high. We need to keep it sufficiently below 4%. As the damage from O6 peaks at 4% of total calories.

                      Also high Total PUFA also is not very healthy. I think if it is difficult to get O6 down below 5gm, then strive for 2:1 ratio rather than 1:1.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cerebelumsdayoff View Post

                        Honestly, sometimes I feel like the more I read within the forums and posts, the more confused I get about what to eat and what not to eat.
                        +1 to this. I've gotten way turned around in the past listening to every possible theory. When in doubt, stick to the basic tenets of primal blueprint and ignore the rest.

                        Always consider the return on investment. Will what your doing lead to sustainable, quantifiable gains in relation to the mental anguish it would cause? If not, bag it.

                        The forums are great and I often use them as entertainment, but you can get lost listening to everyone toss around ideas.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cerebelumsdayoff View Post
                          What's a guy to do?
                          I think that there is a great need for people to look at both sides of an argument and then try something for themselves. Just because there is a science paper written specifying X result does not make it true.

                          Probably the most famous study here on MDA is the 7 countries study by Ancel Keys. If I followed the results of that study without trying out the opposing side to the argument he made I would most likely find myself severly overweight with horrible illnesses the rest of my life followed by an early death, and yet Ancel made it to a level of understanding of science that I neither have the desire or the persitence to reach.

                          Ask yourself if you are happy with your current results and health, if you are do nothing until you are not. If you are not change one thing at a time until you find yourself at a level of health and results you are happy with, exploring all possibilities that appeal to you. Repeat

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Anand Srivastava View Post
                            I think 5grams of O6 is plenty high. We need to keep it sufficiently below 4%. As the damage from O6 peaks at 4% of total calories.

                            Also high Total PUFA also is not very healthy. I think if it is difficult to get O6 down below 5gm, then strive for 2:1 ratio rather than 1:1.
                            less than 5 grams is NOT doable.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Anand Srivastava View Post
                              It depends. O6 in Olive oil can vary from 3.5% to 21%. So it can be bad, depending on which Olive oil you are consuming.

                              http://www.oliveoilsource.com/page/c...haracteristics
                              I think that around 10% will be typical. Compare that to Sunflower oil with usually about 85% Linoleic acid ...
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