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  • #16
    I agree with what you say in terms of carbs and fat storage..... But there are cultures that eat/ate the majority of their calories from carbs that don't have the problems associated with western countries. I think the source of carbs is an important factor.
    "My mom made two dishes: Take it or Leave it." -- Stephen Wright, comedian

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    • #17
      Originally posted by muaythaimike View Post
      I agree with what you say in terms of carbs and fat storage..... But there are cultures that eat/ate the majority of their calories from carbs that don't have the problems associated with western countries. I think the source of carbs is an important factor.
      I think you misunderstand. Storage of fat is not a problem. The problem is, not using that stored fat. High insulin, inflammation, bad hormones, deficiencies, can make us unable to use the stored fats. That is where the problem lies. Not in fat storage.

      You cannot use the energy that you eat, unless it gets stored.

      Ofcourse sources of carbs are important, because there are bad carbs that cause inflammation, and the sources may be devoid of nutrition, which cause deficiencies.

      Bad carbs are not starch or glucose, they are fructose and galactose, and insoluble fibers are bad carbs.
      If you avoid the bad carbs and stay away from nutritionally empty carbs, you should be fine, unless your metabolism is already damaged so that glucose becomes bad in itself.
      Also quantity is very important. Something like fructose in moderation would be neutral, but in excess it is bad. Not so for the metabolically challanged.

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      • #18
        Oh I get ya now, I did misunderstand what you meant.
        "My mom made two dishes: Take it or Leave it." -- Stephen Wright, comedian

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        • #19
          Your confusing the body's ability to convert excess calories from any substrate, not just starch, into saturated fat with saturated fat that we consume in all food that has any fat in it at all......try not eating any saturated fat for a month and get back to us.....saturated fat is in all fat sources.

          Originally posted by Anand Srivastava View Post
          There is only a very small amount of protein that you can eat, based on your muscle mass. The rest must come from starches/sugars or fats.
          You can chose what you want to take. Incidently starches also convert into saturated fat. So doesn't matter what you eat, you are going to get saturated fats.
          Whether you think you can..... or you think you can't..... your 100 % correct.

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          • #20
            Low cholesterol puts you at a much greater risk for a stroke, cancer and death. Your blood clots easier too, which is probably why that happens. I believe you can't really over eat saturated fats, because of the satiety you get from them. If you did you feel you ate too much though, you could fast until your hungry again.
            My journal where I attempt to overcome Chrohns and make good food as well

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            • #21
              Not to side track the thread, but I have a somewhat related question. What effect does the higher saturated fat intake, suggested in a Primal diet, have on those with heart disease already and/or those above age 50 who have had a heart attack? Haven't many patients done better after a heart attack by lowering their LDL (by reducing fat intake/statins).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Chefgerry View Post
                Your confusing the body's ability to convert excess calories from any substrate, not just starch, into saturated fat with saturated fat that we consume in all food that has any fat in it at all......try not eating any saturated fat for a month and get back to us.....saturated fat is in all fat sources.
                I am not sure what you are commenting on. I did say that you will get saturated fat from the fat you get in food, and you will get saturated fat from the carbs that you eat. I don't understand your point.

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                • #23
                  Saturated fat is neutral to the problem of heart attacks.
                  When you are reducing LDL you are treating a number. You are not fixing the actual problem.

                  You need to increase Omega3 to prevent attacks in the future.
                  It would be of benefit to eat a lower carb diet.
                  It would be beneficial to eat no grains and legumes.
                  You might also want to supplement copper, but check that first.
                  You want to supplement K2 MK4+MK7.
                  You want to supplement vitamin D3 with Magnesium, carefully. Vitamin D3 can cause problems, without proper K2 and Magnesium.
                  Basically a primal diet will be beneficial.
                  You can't get a real diet without saturated fats.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Anand Srivastava View Post
                    I am not sure what you are commenting on. I did say that you will get saturated fat from the fat you get in food, and you will get saturated fat from the carbs that you eat. I don't understand your point.
                    The body actually doesn't convert starch to saturated fat........excess calories, which could be starch, get stored in our body as adipose tissue... (TG's), which for the most part is converted to saturated fat.........quite different than consuming saturated fat for bodily function and repair. just saying.
                    Whether you think you can..... or you think you can't..... your 100 % correct.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Anand Srivastava View Post
                      Saturated fat is neutral to the problem of heart attacks.
                      When you are reducing LDL you are treating a number. You are not fixing the actual problem.

                      You need to increase Omega3 to prevent attacks in the future.
                      It would be of benefit to eat a lower carb diet.
                      It would be beneficial to eat no grains and legumes.
                      You might also want to supplement copper, but check that first.
                      You want to supplement K2 MK4+MK7.
                      You want to supplement vitamin D3 with Magnesium, carefully. Vitamin D3 can cause problems, without proper K2 and Magnesium.

                      Basically a primal diet will be beneficial.
                      You can't get a real diet without saturated fats.
                      Can you expand on the bold text above. I can't quite get my brain around these sups that I know I need.....I am just not sure in what amounts. The ratios confuse me, so I have put off adding them to our regime....I could really use a thorough explanation if possible!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dacec View Post
                        Can you expand on the bold text above. I can't quite get my brain around these sups that I know I need.....I am just not sure in what amounts. The ratios confuse me, so I have put off adding them to our regime....I could really use a thorough explanation if possible!
                        Vitamin K2 is responsible for Calcium metabolism, and helps in reducing arterial calcification.
                        http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...itamin-k2.html
                        http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...-arterial.html

                        The best option for K2 is to eat grass fed cows and eat/drink grass fed unpasteurized dairy. Long fermented cheeses are especially good.
                        I have heard good things about the Super K supplement from LifeExtension.
                        The MK4 is used by our body, but lasts for a very small time in our body. MK7 lasts longer and helps, when MK4 is gone. The Super K contains both and K1 also.

                        Vitamin D3 is required for the body to fight diseases, in case the disease is caused by microbes.
                        But it also raises calcium levels which are bad for arterial calcification.
                        So you need K2, to handle the increased calcium.
                        D3 does not work well without enough Magnesium, and almost everybody is deficient in magnesium.

                        The safest is to get the D3 from the sun, if possible. The second best method is fish. Last option is a supplement. It is with supplement that you must be very careful. If you get it from fish you will get the K2 and the Magnesium. You will also get the Omega3.

                        I did not say anything about ratios. Ratios are important for fine tuning the diet. But adding Omega3 will help, in any case.

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                        • #27
                          Who love coconut oil? BlazeKING loves coconut oil
                          Is it true? Mmmhmmm
                          I do I do I do OoOoO

                          Gimme some saturated fat
                          CocOnut OoOYyAL, *drool*

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Wanderer View Post
                            Not to side track the thread, but I have a somewhat related question. What effect does the higher saturated fat intake, suggested in a Primal diet, have on those with heart disease already and/or those above age 50 who have had a heart attack? Haven't many patients done better after a heart attack by lowering their LDL (by reducing fat intake/statins).
                            I'm over 50 and have had a heart attack. On a primal diet plus nicotinic acid I have HDL of 2.66 mmol/L and TG of 0.5mmol/L. With such low TG, the LDL value is irrelevant.

                            The low fat/low cholesterol/pro-statin crowd will cheerfully admit that most of their patients will die from heart disease. I'd rather take my chances with primal
                            Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                            Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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