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    hi my head is swimming on the whole cholesterol issue, reading mark's stuff and chris kresser, jimmy moore, dave asprey etc.... looking for a little guidance from this crowd rather than my standard doctor, if possible, thanks in advance if you consider helping me with this!

    here are my results:

    http://imgur.com/a/KGdK6

    thanks for your time!!

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    Originally posted by liam8888 View Post
    hi my head is swimming on the whole cholesterol issue, reading mark's stuff and chris kresser, jimmy moore, dave asprey etc.... looking for a little guidance from this crowd rather than my standard doctor, if possible, thanks in advance if you consider helping me with this!

    here are my results:

    http://imgur.com/a/KGdK6

    thanks for your time!!
    Please remember that what we are good for are some thoughts. I think only one person here has a medical background, although several others are very intelligent and very well informed. One thing we do well here is stepping outside of the medical establishment's cookie cutter models of analysis and recommendations.

    Please tell us your heigh/weight, I presume you are male, and what your diet is in brief description.

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    • #3
      Hi, yes male, 6'1", 205lb, mostly paleo-ish diet

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      • #4
        I would listen to your doctor and not unhealthy people like Jimmy Moore or diet gurus whose goal is to sell you products, books and diets (which are CAUSING your unhealthy labs). Those numbers are out of the normal recommended range. You should question a diet that makes your health WORSE or fails to improve it.

        It doesn't happen to everyone but for some folks like yourself, who are susceptible, a diet high in saturated fat DOES increase cholesterol. If you want normal labs without meds, reduce your dietary fat. I wasn't overweight but after starting paleo/primal, my LDL and total were even worse than yours (my trigs weren't as bad) and what I did was cut back on fats and meats and now it's normal.
        *Starting Wt - 151 lbs (January 2015) * Current Wt - 113 lbs (November 2016)
        *95% Plant-Based (from June 2015) ~ *75%Carbs *10-15%Protein *10-15%Fat
        *Exercise ~7-10 hrs/week

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KimLean125byMar15 View Post
          I would listen to your doctor and not unhealthy people like Jimmy Moore or diet gurus whose goal is to sell you products, books and diets (which are CAUSING your unhealthy labs). Those numbers are out of the normal recommended range. You should question a diet that makes your health WORSE or fails to improve it.

          It doesn't happen to everyone but for some folks like yourself, who are susceptible, a diet high in saturated fat DOES increase cholesterol. If you want normal labs without meds, reduce your dietary fat. I wasn't overweight but after starting paleo/primal, my LDL and total were even worse than yours (my trigs weren't as bad) and what I did was cut back on fats and meats and now it's normal.
          "Funny" thing, I was thinking that you, OP, might be one of those people like KL that does not respond well to classic paleo. Or, as you say, "paleo-ish." Perhaps you need to drop the "ish?"

          There's a great video out there by Denise Meninger ??? of a speach at one of the health conferences. She really delves in the histories of radical dieting, meaning very high carb, low fat, and VHF, low carb and results over many years, many interventions, a lot of followups. IIRC, her bottom line is that both diets work miracles with the VLF HC tending to be truly healing, not just alleviating symptoms.

          When I started on this journey and on this site seven years ago, I would have resisted such heresy. But observing many people's journeys, I am all on board, "whatever works."

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          • #6
            I would be concerned about low HDL-C and high trigs. Can likely improve both by lowering carbs, upping exercise and losing weight. I would want some more data to better understand the nature of your very high non-HDL-C, including inflammation markers and particle count/size analysis.

            Seems to me NCEP is off the hook with their focus on lowering LDL-C with statins. Of course I want to believe this because mine is so high. I bet the NCEP crowd supports putting statins in our drinking water.
            Last edited by Artbuc; 07-16-2016, 03:46 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Artbuc View Post
              I would be concerned about low HDL-C and high trigs. Can likely improve both by lowering carbs, upping exercise and losing weight. I would want some more data to better understand the nature of your very high non-HDL-C, including inflammation markers and particle count/size analysis.

              Seems to me NCEP is off the hook with their focus on lowering LDL-C with statins. Of course I want to believe this because mine is so high. I bet the NCEP crowd supports putting statins in our drinking water.
              Given what we know I agree with this. Trigs are a big point here and art is right on how you can correct that.

              Of course there is much more about OP we need. Age. Previous labs with previous lifestyle questions (diet, sleep, exercise, habits....ect). Family history. I'd then like a current 3 day tracking of his diet and normal daily activities and how long he has been living in that manner. We don't know if his numbers are trending in a positive or negative direction without all of that.

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              • #8
                OK, what's NCEP?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OnTheBayou View Post
                  OK, what's NCEP?
                  https://www.lipidcenter.com/pdf/NCEP...Statements.pdf

                  https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/files/docs...s/atglance.pdf

                  http://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/0301/p871.html
                  Last edited by Artbuc; 07-17-2016, 12:03 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks. Interesting materials. OTOH, still advising low sat fat, high-ish carb diets. Since I've been eating four times their sat fat allotment for a very long time, I should have off the charts high cholesterol and be frequently clutching my heart. "Inexplicably", I'm the poster child for great TC, HDL, and LDL. How could that be???????

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by liam8888 View Post
                      hi my head is swimming on the whole cholesterol issue, reading mark's stuff and chris kresser, jimmy moore, dave asprey etc.... looking for a little guidance from this crowd rather than my standard doctor, if possible, thanks in advance if you consider helping me with this!

                      here are my results:

                      http://imgur.com/a/KGdK6

                      thanks for your time!!
                      Regardless of the differing opinions on LDL, two things are crystal clear and noncontroversial. Your trigs are too high and your HDL is too low. Get that ratio as near to 1:1 as you can, but it absolutely needs to be less than 2:1. Get HDL up to 60+ and get trigs down to <120 (consistently, as trig levels are very dynamic). If you do that and keep it that way, you won't ever develop CVD. You can find much advice on how to do it, and it isn't that hard.
                      Last edited by NewOldGuy; 07-17-2016, 06:10 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NewOldGuy View Post
                        Regardless of the differing opinions on LDL, two things are crystal clear and noncontroversial. Your trigs are too high and your HDL is too low. Get that ratio as near to 1:1 as you can, but it absolutely needs to be less than 2:1. Get HDL up to 60+ and get trigs down to <120 (consistently, as trig levels are very dynamic). If you do that and keep it that way, you won't ever develop CVD. You can find much advice on how to do it, and it isn't that hard.
                        You're preaching to the choir, friend. Yes, we know my trigs went skyward. But, OTOH, at 163 that level is considered, "almost sorta kinda borderline towards" high. No alarm bells level, and since this is the worst reading I've ever had, including when eating pretty much SAD in December's tests, I'm thinking it's an aberration.

                        My HDL is just fine by every standard. And no, it IS hard to change HDL. The principle dietary way is to eat plenty of sat fats, which I have done for years. Even when I was Mr. Perfect in 2010, my HDL "only" hit 54. No way will I ever get it over 60.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OnTheBayou View Post
                          You're preaching to the choir, friend. Yes, we know my trigs went skyward. But, OTOH, at 163 that level is considered, "almost sorta kinda borderline towards" high. No alarm bells level, and since this is the worst reading I've ever had, including when eating pretty much SAD in December's tests, I'm thinking it's an aberration.

                          My HDL is just fine by every standard. And no, it IS hard to change HDL. The principle dietary way is to eat plenty of sat fats, which I have done for years. Even when I was Mr. Perfect in 2010, my HDL "only" hit 54. No way will I ever get it over 60.
                          Bet you can with coconut - fresh, shredded and oil. Be prepared as your LDL-C will balloon also.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NewOldGuy View Post
                            If you do that and keep it that way, you won't ever develop CVD.
                            You can't guarantee that. Even if you were a medical professional with all relevant information, saying such a thing would be irresponsible.

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                            • #15
                              i don't think "unhealthy people" like Jimmy Moore are in it just to take advantage of people, I think he and others I mentioned are well intentioned but your other points are well taken, I recently had my 23andme done and numerous markers said things about eating low fat which was hard to reconcile with how I've been eating, so sounds like I need to lay off the fat (i don't eat a lot of meat)

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