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  • #31
    I would have the same aches if I ate potato starch as I am sensitive to nightshades and for me, potato is the worst! I never get stomach/GI disturbances, but feel like the flu with body aces if I eat potatoes.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ChoobDriver View Post
      Today however has been real very horrible. I have been plagued by aches, not gentle annoying aches but aches that have made me want to go foetal and cry, the aches have been in my lower back, hip joints, knees and oddly down the back of my thighs. I have absolutely no idea what is causing it as i've not suffered this before but it is bloody horrible, could be onset of illness, something in my diet, supplementary needs, electrolytes, god only knows but I wished he'd email to give me a hint. Any input would be appreciated.
      That looks to me like insufficient electrolytes or carbs.
      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

      Griff's cholesterol primer
      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
      bloodorchid is always right

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      • #33
        Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
        That looks to me like insufficient electrolytes or carbs.
        Which supplements would be best to get right amount of electrolytes. I salt everything.

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        • #34
          Today I ate:

          Breakfast:

          1 Lamb Lamb Leg Steak, 250g of Fage Total Greek Yogurt with 100g of strawberries and 75g of blueberries blitzed and mix in, 20g potato starch.

          Lunch:

          4 eggs scrambled

          Dinner:

          3 Lamb Leg Steaks pan cooked with fresh ginger and chilli

          100g of Cauliflower

          100g of Broccoli

          100g of Carrots

          75g Spinach


          Calories: 1800 kcal

          Protein: 153g

          Carbs: 43g

          Fat: 110g

          Sugar: 35g

          Sodium: 847mg

          Potassium: 778mg

          MyFitnessPal Breakdown:


          Still have aching hips, knees slightly less so, thighs still just slightly.

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          • #35
            For the electrolyte issue, I would recommend a cup or two of regular bouillon like herb ox or knorr. Yes there are trace amts of bad things in them, but they will help within minutes. This is definitely a case of "the dose makes the poison". Bouillon was an essential part of my vlc program.
            Primal since 9/24/2010
            "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

            Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
            MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
              For the electrolyte issue, I would recommend a cup or two of regular bouillon like herb ox or knorr. Yes there are trace amts of bad things in them, but they will help within minutes. This is definitely a case of "the dose makes the poison". Bouillon was an essential part of my vlc program.
              Thanks, i'll give a knorr cube a try.

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              • #37
                Heya Choob. Welcome and all that.

                Ya dont really like veggies do ya? I dont blame ya I hate them myself however you must up your veggie intake a lot and in a larger variety. Your nutrition will improve as you do.

                Mayhaps it is a lack of cooking skill or local availability?

                I discovered that you can roast a whole bunch of veggies and they are as tasty as they are simple to make. peppers, onions, garlic, cauliflower, broccoli, zucchini, carrots, parsnips, etc. chop them to your desire, cover with olive oil and spices, toss a bit and then roast in a pan at 400F till done.

                I add spinach and kale finely chopped to everything I can, eggs, mincemeat, chicken liver etc. I have discovered so many different greens besides lettuce that you can add in every meal.

                Chopped cabbage and onions fried with bacon. a breakfast of champions.

                Squashes and pumpkins can be added to stews, chillies and curries.

                Do you like salsa? a half cup or more poured on 4 boiled eggs or a can of sardines makes a great meal.

                Think of this as you plan your meals, each meal should be some variation of protein, fats and a double handful of veggies.

                Doing this, I have found that 2 meals a day have become sufficient and I dont eat until around noon. I still eat 3500 kcal ish a day and am loosing weight slowly. YMMV of course but hey.

                I have found that the folks at everyday paleo have a great podcast and their advice is sound, simple and fun.

                Podcasts | Everyday Paleo Lifestyle and Fitness give em a listen.
                Primal since April 2012 Male 6' 3" SW 345lbs CW 240lbs GW 220lbs and when I get there I am getting a utlikilt. This one http://www.utilikilts.com/company/pr...ilts/workmans/ actually.

                Join me at www.paleoplanet.net, where all the cavemen hang out.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Warmbear View Post
                  Heya Choob. Welcome and all that.

                  Ya dont really like veggies do ya? I dont blame ya I hate them myself however you must up your veggie intake a lot and in a larger variety. Your nutrition will improve as you do.

                  Mayhaps it is a lack of cooking skill or local availability?

                  I discovered that you can roast a whole bunch of veggies and they are as tasty as they are simple to make. peppers, onions, garlic, cauliflower, broccoli, zucchini, carrots, parsnips, etc. chop them to your desire, cover with olive oil and spices, toss a bit and then roast in a pan at 400F till done.

                  I add spinach and kale finely chopped to everything I can, eggs, mincemeat, chicken liver etc. I have discovered so many different greens besides lettuce that you can add in every meal.

                  Chopped cabbage and onions fried with bacon. a breakfast of champions.

                  Squashes and pumpkins can be added to stews, chillies and curries.

                  Do you like salsa? a half cup or more poured on 4 boiled eggs or a can of sardines makes a great meal.

                  Think of this as you plan your meals, each meal should be some variation of protein, fats and a double handful of veggies.

                  Doing this, I have found that 2 meals a day have become sufficient and I dont eat until around noon. I still eat 3500 kcal ish a day and am loosing weight slowly. YMMV of course but hey.

                  I have found that the folks at everyday paleo have a great podcast and their advice is sound, simple and fun.

                  Podcasts | Everyday Paleo Lifestyle and Fitness give em a listen.
                  Yeah, not crazy about a lot of veggies, i like broccolli, cauliflower, spinach, sprouts, cabbage, carrots, onion, tomatoes and that's about it.

                  I have started upping quantity.

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                  • #39
                    I didn't like most veggies and hated Brussels Sprouts. This fall I decided to give them a try. Addicted LOL
                    What I am discovering is I hate over cooked veggies and if I lightly sauté instead I'm finding them quite good. This holds true for broccoli and asparagus as well!!
                    Favorite breakfast if mine is:
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                    Scrambled eggs with meat (in this case shoulder bacon), Brussels Sprouts, Broccoli and some Guacamole
                    Barb - Portland, Oregon

                    "Everything is as it should be given what has gone before. This is not an excuse but it is a reason"
                    ~ Dr G & Barb ~

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by fillyone View Post
                      I didn't like most veggies and hated Brussels Sprouts. This fall I decided to give them a try. Addicted LOL
                      What I am discovering is I hate over cooked veggies and if I lightly sauté instead I'm finding them quite good. This holds true for broccoli and asparagus as well!!
                      Favorite breakfast if mine is:
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                      Scrambled eggs with meat (in this case shoulder bacon), Brussels Sprouts, Broccoli and some Guacamole
                      Agree with you on overcooked veggies, may as well not bother at all. I far prefer them the raw side of cooked.

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                      • #41
                        That's my day finished. I was in the most foul of moods for most of the evening, frustration causing it. Whilst it's early days I am just so down for not losing any fat at all, i'm at the stage that i'd be happy with the loss of grams just to know i'm heading in the right direction. It is seriously affecting my mood. Still we must struggle on and unfortunately it is all feeling like a struggle, sad to say i'm not enjoying primal living right at the moment however I will not be quitting.

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                        • #42
                          I think you really need to add some exercise, when I started CrossFit last year I couldn't do 3 squats.
                          People ask me how much weight I have lost and the number is actually quite low but I'm down 3 pant sizes!!!!
                          Barb - Portland, Oregon

                          "Everything is as it should be given what has gone before. This is not an excuse but it is a reason"
                          ~ Dr G & Barb ~

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by fillyone View Post
                            I think you really need to add some exercise, when I started CrossFit last year I couldn't do 3 squats.
                            People ask me how much weight I have lost and the number is actually quite low but I'm down 3 pant sizes!!!!
                            I'd love to, i know it's the catalyst needed but at the moment i'm consumed with arthritic pain from foot to shoulders. I am pushing through by upping my walking already.

                            3 pant sizes!!! Very well done, you must feel awesome.

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                            • #44
                              Depending on where your body and your health was to begin with, fat loss my not be your body's priority. How has the other health issues reacted? It may be that becoming healthy will take most of the resources you are giving yourself and it may take time for fat loss to happen.

                              also if you have upped your exercise then you may not have lost "weight" but you may have gained muscle and lost some size. in 2 years I have dropped from a 52 waist to a 38 inch waist. Stop weighing your self and measure your self, take naked selfies and compare month to month.

                              Exercise will be important. Walk a lot, fit it into your life anywhere you can as much as you can. Lift heavy when you can but walking will do you better than anything else to start. It is free and requires no fancy equipment. I cant sprint so I climb all the stairs instead of taking the elevator. I walk to do my groceries and with the dog.

                              and remember more veggies.
                              Primal since April 2012 Male 6' 3" SW 345lbs CW 240lbs GW 220lbs and when I get there I am getting a utlikilt. This one http://www.utilikilts.com/company/pr...ilts/workmans/ actually.

                              Join me at www.paleoplanet.net, where all the cavemen hang out.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by ChoobDriver View Post
                                I'd love to, i know it's the catalyst needed but at the moment i'm consumed with arthritic pain from foot to shoulders. I am pushing through by upping my walking already.
                                I understand this perfectly as I have Rheumatoid Arthritis!! I was unable to work for a year while they found my medication cocktail! RA was actually the catalyst for the change to what I put in my mouth!!

                                Given your level of pain then I suggest trying to take your focus off weight loss numbers, I put my scales in the closet!!

                                Hanging on my 'fridge:
                                Eat mostly foods that help me feel good physically and emotionally, eat few that do the opposite and be conscious of that choice while it can still be made
                                Barb - Portland, Oregon

                                "Everything is as it should be given what has gone before. This is not an excuse but it is a reason"
                                ~ Dr G & Barb ~

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