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  • Originally posted by justyouraveragecavemen View Post
    I've been praying for something for over a year now. If I am blessed with it, awesome, if not, I'm thankful for what I have. If it helps you any, before God spoke to Moses and told him what He was to be called the righteous and holy just prayed to the god of the universe (if I understand that correctly). That's why the idol worshipers had trouble accepting God, because their gods had names. That's why they would say the god of Abraham or the god of Jacob. I agree with Geo, it helps just to verbalize whatever you have going on. I think of it as talking to a friend and I think that's how it's supposed to be thought of, IMHO.
    The early Semites often prayed to localized gods (Elohim), or more properly, topographic gods. El Shaddai would be god of the mountain. This ties into the recurring notion of holy places (cf., Jerusalem, Mecca, Sinai). El, incidentally, shares its etymology with Allah, and creeps into other words: Israel, Ishmael, Emmanuel ("God is here"). Bethel, "the place of God," was the site of Jacob's ladder.

    There is also the idea of Euhemerism, the apotheosis of kings (or forebears). This would also lead to the idea of localized gods, with unfamiliar gods being pagan. Julian Jaynes runs his fascinating theory of consciousness through the Euhemerist view, which gives a whole new perspective to the early psychology of religion.

    Early man may have felt a profound connection to the greatness of a particular landscape, rooting himself to a holy place or a god of some locale; he may have been spoken to by the authoritative voice of a deceased king or forebear in times of distress. It's fascinating to trace the historical notions of gods and God, and then to see that our modern lives still find us in spiritual connection with our natural world, and receiving wisdom from those no longer with us.

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    • I guess it's time to jump into the deep end.
      Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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      • I've always considered the trinity as three manifestations of the same idea, sort of the way the block on the cover of Godel, Escher, Bach appears as a G, an E, or a B, depending on which side you view it from. The ineffable Father cannot be apprehended by any means of the agnostic, by definition, although He is the very set of scientific laws the agnostic utilizes and is present in everything (whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere, as the saying goes); Son as manifestation; Spirit as the agent or active component. At least, that is how I understand it.

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        • Fear can push some into faith as they feel have nothing left. Fear does hinder people. Understanding some of your background, I understand where your fear stems from. I know I'm quoting Yoda properly, but didn't he say something to the affect of "Let go of fear"? If you can let go of fear, good things will follow. I have to tell myself this everyday and it does help.
          Georgette

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          • I eventually came to grasp the Trinity as something similar to FW, long after I'd stepped away from Christianity. The Father as the authority figure and disciplining hand, the Son as the scapegoat and loving embrace, and the Spirit as the intertwining vine between Father, Son, and believer.
            For now, I'll walk the Middle Way and hope for wisdom. For now, I'll ask in the ways of my forefathers for the oldest requests in the book: wisdom, hope, luck, strength, and justice. For now, I'll try to be content with what I have, even if the gods only saw fit to answer the part of my prayer that would make for the best tv. For now, I'll try to be and let be, as hard as that is.
            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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            • Originally posted by geostump View Post
              Fear can push some into faith as they feel have nothing left. Fear does hinder people. Understanding some of your background, I understand where your fear stems from. I know I'm quoting Yoda properly, but didn't he say something to the affect of "Let go of fear"? If you can let go of fear, good things will follow. I have to tell myself this everyday and it does help.
              See my 2nd image above. It's Yoda's quote on fear and hate. Fear has led me by the nose much of my life. I guess it's time to face some of those fears and stand them down, no matter how much it hurts.
              Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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              • Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                I've always considered the trinity as three manifestations of the same idea, sort of the way the block on the cover of Godel, Escher, Bach appears as a G, an E, or a B, depending on which side you view it from. The ineffable Father cannot be apprehended by any means of the agnostic, by definition, although He is the very set of scientific laws the agnostic utilizes and is present in everything (whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere, as the saying goes); Son as manifestation; Spirit as the agent or active component. At least, that is how I understand it.
                Yeah, at least you can say you have wrapped your head around it, even partially. I just shrug my shoulders and accept it.
                If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.

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                • Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
                  See my 2nd image above. It's Yoda's quote on fear and hate. Fear has led me by the nose much of my life. I guess it's time to face some of those fears and stand them down, no matter how much it hurts.
                  I saw that.

                  I went through the same phase and fight it often. It takes a lifetime to erase that fear and hatred but it can be done.
                  Georgette

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                  • SQUEEEEE!!!!!
                    Interview with that engineering firm next Friday! EEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
                    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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                    • Cool. Which one? errr...I'll ask you on text.
                      Most people don't realize how much energy it takes for me to pretend to be normal.

                      If I wanted to listen to an asshole, I'd fart.

                      Twibble's Twibbly Wibbly

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                      • Just got fired. For the same shit they wanted me to fix not even a week ago. Way to give me a chance, douchebags.
                        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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                        • I'm sorry NK. Maybe it's perfect timing...why yes engineering firm, I can start Monday.
                          If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.

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                          • Maybe. I'm not holding my breath. This seems suspiciously well timed.
                            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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                            • Ouch.
                              Most people don't realize how much energy it takes for me to pretend to be normal.

                              If I wanted to listen to an asshole, I'd fart.

                              Twibble's Twibbly Wibbly

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                              • I hope this is GOOD timing and not just coincidental. Sending happy thoughts.
                                Depression Lies

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