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    I am so fed up with feeling like I'm failing. So, I thought I'd start a journal to figure out a better path. Perhaps that path is the one I strayed from months ago to feel more normal.

    Over the last 9 months, I've left behind eating VLC to adopt a more varied diet to include fruit, some starch, dairy, and overall a less rigid way of eating while still eating a pretty decent primal diet. And I feel so much worse.

    Fruit and carbs in general seem to be a gateway for just eating too much. I don't think my calories are way too high, but they clearly are high enough that I am gaining, slowly but surely. But if and when I restrict and eat less, I'm hungry, obsessive, and have terribly low blood sugar that seems to lead to overeating at the next opportunity.

    And I'm hungry. I have an apple for a snack and two hours later I am elbow deep in the walnut bin.

    I have tons of diabetes on both sides of my family, and am myself borderline pre-diabetic. I left behind the VLC eating because I was sick of it. My family eats loads of fruit and bananas and rice and ice cream and potatoes. And so do my friends who are thin. I want to eat those things too!!!

    But as I have begun to eat them and tried to work out more, I've just gained. Some is muscle, but overall I do not feel lean or light. I feel bloated and heavy and fat.

    Am I alone? Is it so odd to really only be able to loose and maintain weight on a VLC? A year ago, I was exercising some, but eating very low carb. And I felt good. And I was at a low weight. It seems to be the only thing that works for me.

    SO why don't I just return to it? I am happy and energetic that way. And I feel successful and thin and confident and I am not obsessing over calories or tracking. I don't stress out when my kids are sick and I am not at the gym. I don't get low blood sugar and I don't feel so cranky. It makes things so easy!

    I don't know what to do. Ughg. I'll chronicle it here.

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    I think I'm technically obligated to inform you that I think VLC is good for certain people. So, disclaimer out of the way:

    Sounds like the obvious answer is to go back to VLC. Maybe some day you'll find that you can eat sugars and other carbohydrates without these issues. I hope so. But for now, it seems like VLC's the way to go. For you, as an individual.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #3
      Listen to the all knowing angel bat..he's giving you good advice. Why change what has worked for you? Maybe down the road you can relax a little and then shore things up when you feel the need.

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      • #4
        I think that too, RichMahogany. I just can't seem to figure out my mental block against it. I get excited when I think about how good I feel after a couple of weeks VLC. Just need to pull the trigger, recommit. Your disclaimer made me feel glad and relieved. Yes, I have an unhealthy need for others' approval.

        Actually, that is an interesting thought. I wonder if maybe my difficulty accepting I ought to return to VLC is b/c there really is no one in my life that buys into eating that way and I don't want to accept that I am maybe built differently. I want to fit in and be like everyone else!
        Hmm. I might be onto something. RichM, perhaps you should be my therapist.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
          RichM, perhaps you should be my therapist.
          Lots of us went VLC until our metabolisms and our hunger signaling got back on the same page. You're like so many of us. You're not alone. You're not weird. Set the example for all the other people whose health is not what it should be.
          The Champagne of Beards

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            Lots of us went VLC until our metabolisms and our hunger signaling got back on the same page. You're like so many of us. You're not alone. You're not weird. Set the example for all the other people whose health is not what it should be.
            Well said RichMahogany.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
              Lots of us went VLC until our metabolisms and our hunger signaling got back on the same page. You're like so many of us. You're not alone. You're not weird. Set the example for all the other people whose health is not what it should be.
              Wow, has someone hacked RM's account?

              But seriously, done good advice Rich.
              If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

              Originally posted by tfarny
              If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Misabi View Post
                Wow, has someone hacked RM's account?

                But seriously, done good advice Rich.
                He's a big ole softy irl.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  Lots of us went VLC until our metabolisms and our hunger signaling got back on the same page. You're like so many of us. You're not alone. You're not weird. Set the example for all the other people whose health is not what it should be.
                  Wisdom and compassion in a single post!

                  FireFinder, I get the frustration that some people get to be thin on pizza and beer and mashed potatoes. But ultimately, that's them and we're us. Try not to look at it in a way that focuses on what you can't eat, but what you can. All things that walk, crawl, fly, and swim. Not sure what VLC for you specifically is, but even the occasional potato can be eaten - just not two pounds in a day, or the same day you indulge in bananas or nuts. Except for the specific non-primal stuff, there is a whole planet of foods out there for you to eat.

                  And we have butter and bacon.

                  Good luck!
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                  B*tch-lite

                  Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                  • #10
                    I guess I am sort of understanding why people spend time on forums like this. There is support that day to day life doesn't offer. Thanks everyone.
                    Today I get back to basics. Eggs and meat and veg. Coffee and butter! Feeling less stressed already. One day at a time....I'm going to lay off on the hard workouts for a bit. More mellow stuff- some body weight workouts, easy cardio. Hopefully that will help to temper sugar cravings as I get back to the "zone".
                    What are ideal workouts for a VLC way of eating? I have read so much that you need carbs to work out and the VLC is god for sedentary people. I seem to have good energy VLC. Might have to so some experimenting once I'm re adapted......

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
                      I am so fed up with feeling like I'm failing. So, I thought I'd start a journal to figure out a better path. Perhaps that path is the one I strayed from months ago to feel more normal.

                      Over the last 9 months, I've left behind eating VLC to adopt a more varied diet to include fruit, some starch, dairy, and overall a less rigid way of eating while still eating a pretty decent primal diet. And I feel so much worse.

                      Fruit and carbs in general seem to be a gateway for just eating too much. I don't think my calories are way too high, but they clearly are high enough that I am gaining, slowly but surely. But if and when I restrict and eat less, I'm hungry, obsessive, and have terribly low blood sugar that seems to lead to overeating at the next opportunity.

                      And I'm hungry. I have an apple for a snack and two hours later I am elbow deep in the walnut bin.

                      I have tons of diabetes on both sides of my family, and am myself borderline pre-diabetic. I left behind the VLC eating because I was sick of it. My family eats loads of fruit and bananas and rice and ice cream and potatoes. And so do my friends who are thin. I want to eat those things too!!!

                      But as I have begun to eat them and tried to work out more, I've just gained. Some is muscle, but overall I do not feel lean or light. I feel bloated and heavy and fat.

                      Am I alone? Is it so odd to really only be able to loose and maintain weight on a VLC? A year ago, I was exercising some, but eating very low carb. And I felt good. And I was at a low weight. It seems to be the only thing that works for me.

                      SO why don't I just return to it? I am happy and energetic that way. And I feel successful and thin and confident and I am not obsessing over calories or tracking. I don't stress out when my kids are sick and I am not at the gym. I don't get low blood sugar and I don't feel so cranky. It makes things so easy!

                      I don't know what to do. Ughg. I'll chronicle it here.
                      Yep, exactly like my story, so am back to VLC / Steak and Egg now, feeling so much happier can have two or one meal a day and feel great even forget about food.

                      However, I want to be smart about it this time, ensuring I eat nutritionally, e.g. organs, and perhaps if you really want varier or fruit keep it to the way old LCers used to do it, i.e. keep it to a cup of berries with heavy cream as a treat now and again, not daily.

                      You know how you feel and works best for you, so you are the best to make a call.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        Lots of us went VLC until our metabolisms and our hunger signaling got back on the same page. You're like so many of us. You're not alone. You're not weird. Set the example for all the other people whose health is not what it should be.
                        +1 on this.

                        also, who are you and what have you done with RM?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                          +1 on this.

                          also, who are you and what have you done with RM?
                          He's being nice and polite in hopes of sparking another twerking thread.

                          And to the OP, yes, what the beard said is on point - I was VLC for about 6 months. It got stuff in line. Now I am far more liberal with my diet and it works. At first - nope I had to cut the carbs.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
                            I guess I am sort of understanding why people spend time on forums like this. There is support that day to day life doesn't offer. Thanks everyone.
                            Today I get back to basics. Eggs and meat and veg. Coffee and butter! Feeling less stressed already. One day at a time....I'm going to lay off on the hard workouts for a bit. More mellow stuff- some body weight workouts, easy cardio. Hopefully that will help to temper sugar cravings as I get back to the "zone".
                            What are ideal workouts for a VLC way of eating? I have read so much that you need carbs to work out and the VLC is god for sedentary people. I seem to have good energy VLC. Might have to so some experimenting once I'm re adapted......
                            Try here: Action Item #4: Exercise Primally Move, Lift, and Sprint! | Mark's Daily Apple

                            I guess there are some reasons to up carbs for exercise, but while a person still carries excess fat stores, they have the energy in that. They're just wearing the fat (or calories if you prefer) instead of eating them.

                            I figure there are only two good things about being overweight. One is that just walking is a weight bearing exercise, so your bones are stronger than the chronically thin. Second is that you almost never have to worry about starving to death. I've been there. You'll do great.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #15
                              Today was a good day. I don't really expect a big "carb flu" b/c I haven't been eating a ton of carbs, but I know tomorrow and the next couple of days I will need to really make the effort to avoid sugar and starch. The craving is still there. It usually takes a week or so, and then I am over it.
                              I talked to my dad today and he is pretty in over his head diabetic. He was telling me how there is diabetes on both sides of his family, both of his siblings are diabetic and he is in bad shape. I know I inherited the gene, and I wonder if part of the deal is a sugar/carb addiction. There are seriously times when I am eating some sweet fruit like grapes that I MUST have more. I've never been addicted to a drug or anything, but I'd guess it sort of feels that way. Is it possible to break this for good? I don't know. It's always been such a struggle. It's not that I totally binge all the time on cake and pizza, the problem for me is that I am eating for reasons other than nourishment and hunger.
                              I want to eat for the reasons one should eat, and I am beginning to think that this is much more possible for me if I limit carbs. Like, maybe it's not all my fault? Maybe I'm not just weak or have horrible will power. Maybe there is a gene or something I've inherited that makes it hard for me to eat a "balanced" diet. Who knows. For now, I'm cutting out the carbs.
                              Today was eggs, meat, olive oil, a little cheese, lots of leafy greens.... i feel tired, but not bloated and no indigestion. I know tomorrow I'll wake up feeling like my system has processed everything I ate today.
                              One day at a time.....

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