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    Or, "Where in the World is Ombat's Diagnosis?" I have more of these.

    So this is new for me, the whole, "not do things alone" thing. But it's working out so far.

    I'm relocating my journal of 8.5 months from my phone to here so I can get some objective eyes.
    I'm a bit too burnt out to ramble on here for pages (you're welcome), but everything up until this point can be found starting roughly here. I'm sure all of it will come out here in time, though.

    My (relevant) timeline basically looks like this:
    Childhood had daily headaches, fatigue, mood problems, painful stomach upsets which resulted in about 8+ years of daily doses of ibuprofen. The stomach upsets were chalked up to "nerves".
    My mother made most of our meals which were never sparse on meat and vegetables. I never really cared for wheat or dairy products, though I did eat some on a daily basis. I was a runt - 10th percentile in height and weight - but I had an insatiable appetite and ate more than most of my family. Sometimes I would eat so much in one sitting that my stomach couldn't handle it and I would vomit.

    Teen years saw no relief in headaches despite being put on multiple medications, fatigue worsened drastically, serious depression issues. Stomach upsets were much less frequent, though. Still very skinny.

    First year of college my diet drastically changed: pizza, pasta, cookies, ice cream, sandwiches. I barely gained any weight (5lb?) but I looked like I was pregnant most of the time from bloat and everything looked and felt puffy and inflamed. I had terrible brain fog and could barely string simple sentences together most times. This is when I started looking into gluten intolerance and that summer I had testing done which confirmed it.

    That summer I felt incredible. I leaned out, had a TON of energy, and my mood was through the roof. At the end of summer I contracted a bacterial infection (from a waterfall hike) and went back to school vomiting with a 101 degree fever for over a week. This created a whole new turn in my health.

    I spent the first couple of months of my sophomore year dizzy and falling over, getting too fatigued to make it up stairs, developing arthritic pain, and seeing my digestive issues come back, mainly in the form of severe constipation. Still off gluten, I cut out dairy, then soy, then corn, nightshades (realized potatoes give me fevers), eggs, nuts, yeast, the list goes on. I don't even know what I was eating. I started seeing gastros, naturopaths, and even a rheumatologist because the joint pain was so severe. I was tested for bugs, SIBO, fructose malabsorption (all negative), put on adrenal medication, given cleanses, tried HCL, digestive enzymes, the list goes on. I dropped down to 100 pounds (normal weight on me is 107-109) but my arthritic pain went away.

    That spring I was tested for food allergies. The results were gluten, dairy, yeast, sugarcane, and some oddities. I cut those out and added everything else back in. I gained my weight back and felt relatively okay.

    Last summer I started eating primal and my digestive problems made it to an all time high: constipated for a week at a time and bloating so severe I almost went to the hospital. I tried a GAPS/SCD diet for a while but with no relief. Upon returning to school in the fall I started working with a dietitian who uses the paleo diet and spent the first 4 months eating meat, spinach, and green beans and supplementing with glutamine and gelatin and probiotics. I had energy again and my bloating went completely away for about 2 of those months. I still couldn't have a bowel movement so I started taking magnesium citrate which I continue with to this day (and it works perfectly). In the 3rd month my bloating came back with full force with no change in diet (This makes me suspect some sort of candida, because I've read that they can thrive on ketones). I also lost my period at this time. Desperate, I added back sweet potatoes and other starches and waited for my menstrual cycle to return, which it did (I got my hormones checked about a month later anyway, and I have low estrogen...?). I then tried introducing ghee into my diet, but it resulted in debilitating headaches and I developed puss-filled bumps all over my thighs, so I cut that out. Since then I've added other paleo foods back into my diet without any disturbingly noticeable effects, but my main food intake is basically meat, fish, eggs, and sweet potatoes. I've learned that I do okay with nightshade spices and tomatoes, but potatoes make me extremely sleepy (as opposed to giving me fevers like they used to). I've also learned that onions make me double over in pain. I now only eat low FODMAP veggies, if I eat veggies at all. I've tried probiotics to help with the inability to digest veg but fermented foods make me worse. I take a probiotic capsule every morning but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. I still try to suck on saurkraut every once in a while.

    I was taking digestive enzymes for about 6 months, thinking that I was starving all the time because I wasn't digesting properly, but I stopped taking them a few weeks ago and nothing has changed. My appetite has possibly even diminished.

    Oh, and I'm not quite sure when this started (a year ago?), but my face is a disaster. Acne everywhere. It does seem to get better with fish oil / vitamin D, though. I've stopped using conventional soaps (on my face, body, and hair) which seems to be helping, too.

    Today:

    My only real complaints are persistent sensitivities (I tried eating an orange a few weeks ago and 5 minutes later I looked like I was about to give birth to twins) and fatigue (though it's markedly better than it has been) and acne.

    I'm waiting to take more comprehensive bacteria / parasite tests and also to have my thyroid tested (I've only ever had TSH checked). I should have done this months ago but I'm so tired of doctors. I have an appointment with my school's health center for Friday because I can't get into my real gastro for another month and I'm running out of patience.

    In the meantime I've started a modified Emma version of the SCD intro diet - bone broths, plain meats fish, and eggs, white rice (digests easily for me), maybe a little applesauce and carrot juice. We'll see. The last few weeks I've adopted a little too much of a "fuck it" attitude and have been eating things that I know upset my stomach, like fruit and honey, excess coconut, eating out which always ends badly, and yesterday I even ate some hummus. I need to reset.

    Well, if you've read this far you're either one of those who have so kindly been helping me out lately or you're completely crazy. Either way I appreciate it and any thoughts, comments, or suggestions that you have. I'm so much better than I've been in the past two years and I've almost just decided to settle and accept my fate as is but there's still a tiny bit of fire left in me. I've been shut down so many times by doctors who tell me I'm crazy because they can't find anything wrong, and friends and family are supportive and sympathetic but they can't help. I'm really burnt out and I'm running out of hope but you guys have inspired me to keep trying. Thank you.

    Cheers.
    Last edited by ombat; 04-22-2013, 12:33 PM.
    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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    I'm your first fan!

    Let's get this party started.

    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ombat View Post
      Well, if you've read this far you're either one of those who have so kindly been helping me out lately or you're completely crazy. Either way I appreciate it and any thoughts, comments, or suggestions that you have. I'm so much better than I've been in the past two years and I've almost just decided to settle and accept my fate as is but there's still a tiny bit of fire left in me. I've been shut down so many times by doctors who tell me I'm crazy because they can't find anything wrong, and friends and family are supportive and sympathetic but they can't help. I'm really burnt out and I'm running out of hope but you guys have inspired me to keep trying. Thank you.
      Just wanted to say I totally relate to this paragraph. It's why I started my journal. I kept writing these long epic posts on MDA and realised that channeling my feelings and observations into an ordered format might help me move forward. It has. And one of the cool parts is looking back and seeing entries where things didn't make sense, and now they do. Give yourself lots of license to make mistakes
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #4


        Thanks YB! I think this will be much more beneficial than what I was doing before. I've started writing today's entry and I've already made an insight that I might not have
        Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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        • #5
          Hi Ombat, thanks for the intro. I wish you continued good progress on your journey to health, you are one determined person. Don't give up.
          Annie Ups the Ante
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread117711.html

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          • #6
            Have you been tested for lyme disease?

            Is there any form of sugar that does not effect you? Maple syrup?

            Have you ever tried fresh juice?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Annieh View Post
              Hi Ombat, thanks for the intro. I wish you continued good progress on your journey to health, you are one determined person. Don't give up.
              Thank you for the encouragement, Annie! I really appreciate it.
              Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Have you been tested for lyme disease?
                I haven't, but am I mistaken or doesn't it present with some sort of rash from the bite?

                Is there any form of sugar that does not effect you? Maple syrup?
                I tried coconut water recently and it sat really well with me. I don't remember maple syrup giving me any weird reactions, though I probably wasn't feeling all to well the last time I tried it. Funny I actually almost picked some up the other day to replace my honey because I thought I might process it better, but decided no sugar in the house was a better idea. Think I should try it?

                Also, refined sugar doesn't seem to upset my stomach too much but it makes the rest of me feel like crap.

                Edit: Yes, that does remind me of the conversation we recently had.

                Have you ever tried fresh juice?
                It's like you're in my head. I almost picked up some carrot juice today. Fruit juices are instant bloat and I have a feeling carrot juice might only be mildly better as it is pretty sugary for a vegetable, but I'm willing to try it.
                Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                • #9
                  The fact that you started getting arthritis symptoms after a trek through the woods stands out to me big time. Lyme disease is really fucking weird and if not caught right away it can do all sorts of bad shit to you, especially arthritis type symptoms. And no it does not always leave a mark, usually it will be a bullseye type bite but i have heard of many people getting it without seeing the bite.

                  I reaaaaaaalllly think you need sugar in your diet. You are underweight and are dealing with classic hypo symptoms along with candida symptoms. Both benefit greatly from sugar. If your body is getting its sugar from breaking down protein then that just adds to all these problems.

                  Also im talking fresh squeezed, like buy a juicer and do it yourself. Not only a great way to get sugar, minerals and vitamins, but also you get enzymes which will probably help greatly with digestion.

                  Also salt helps with stomach acid products among other things, hopefully you are eating some.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zach View Post
                    The fact that you started getting arthritis symptoms after a trek through the woods stands out to me big time. Lyme disease is really fucking weird and if not caught right away it can do all sorts of bad shit to you, especially arthritis type symptoms. And no it does not always leave a mark, usually it will be a bullseye type bite but i have heard of many people getting it without seeing the bite.

                    I reaaaaaaalllly think you need sugar in your diet. You are underweight and are dealing with classic hypo symptoms along with candida symptoms. Both benefit greatly from sugar. If your body is getting its sugar from breaking down protein then that just adds to all these problems.

                    Also im talking fresh squeezed, like buy a juicer and do it yourself. Not only a great way to get sugar, minerals and vitamins, but also you get enzymes which will probably help greatly with digestion.

                    Also salt helps with stomach acid products among other things, hopefully you are eating some.
                    I'll talk to the doctor about that as well. Would lyme persist for this long? And would markers still be there after 2 years? I don't know anything.

                    I never hear the same thing twice about candida. Sugar would be beneficial for fighting against it? How's that?

                    What kind of vegetables do you recommend (or fruits that you think won't bother my stomach)?

                    I use sea salt at every meal and in my water when I'm particularly thirsty.

                    Did I mention "thank you"?

                    EDIT: I just read that Lyme is not found in Hawai'i, which is where I caught the illness. And where my avatar picture was taken. I'm not quite that thin anymore, if that's where you're getting the underweight thing from by the way
                    Last edited by ombat; 04-22-2013, 08:07 PM.
                    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                    • #11
                      Monday - April 22

                      Slept from 11-6:30. Was exhausted yesterday after my 3.5 hour climb in the mountains. Pretty sleepy today but not too bad. Actually, I only started getting really sleepy once I put on a large jacket and got very warm… Took it off and I almost instantly felt better. Next thing I know, PaleoMom experienced the same thing!

                      Food/Digestion: Trying to eat less more often to see if it helps digestion:
                      >Bone broth with added gelatin; a little bone marrow and meaty bits.
                      >Salmon, rice cakes
                      >Chicken and applesauce… Went back for more a bit later.
                      >Eggs poached in bone broth, rice, a little sliced turkey (butcher makes it himself. No weird ingredients). Made this a bigger meal because I'm already sick of eating so often, ha. Not going to be able to sustain this….

                      I was not nice to my stomach yesterday with the hummus and the milk chocolate (oops did I mention that? I tend to adopt an all or nothing attitude, which I completely accept as being unacceptable) so it's going to take a few days for the bloating to subside, even on this diet. Actually, especially on this diet. Soup belly is real and so uncomfortable.

                      Pulse: Sometimes I notice a very high or very low pulse, and it has been pretty high recently. Today I could feel my heart pounding and I had just been sitting on the couch for hours.

                      Exercise: Went for a short walk out in the warm, sunny weather. Short because my legs started screaming about 15 minutes out. Guess I was more sore than I realized.

                      Other: I haven't been able to stop crying for the last 3 days for no particular reason. It's weird and completely unusual and actually really funny (when I'm not crying). I'm due to get my period…now… but I don't usually experience emotional responses of any kind, just extreme hunger (manifest as binging on sweet potatoes and 100% cocoa and honey which I did last week).
                      Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ombat View Post
                        I'll talk to the doctor about that as well. Would lyme persist for this long? And would markers still be there after 2 years? I don't know anything.

                        I never hear the same thing twice about candida. Sugar would be beneficial for fighting against it? How's that?

                        What kind of vegetables do you recommend (or fruits that you think won't bother my stomach)?

                        I use sea salt at every meal and in my water when I'm particularly thirsty.

                        Did I mention "thank you"?

                        EDIT: I just read that Lyme is not found in Hawai'i, which is where I caught the illness. And where my avatar picture was taken. I'm not quite that thin anymore, if that's where you're getting the underweight thing from by the way
                        Well thats a good thing that it is not lyme! I got the underweight thing from your first post saying you are 100-107lbs? Certainly lean enough to not be worried about sugar.

                        I think sugar has gotten the worst rap in the history of nutrition, more so then even saturated fat. Sugar is a vital substance, having plenty of glycogen in both muscles and liver ensures optimal blood sugar, thyroid hormone, brain function, muscle function, energy (ATP), and an oxygenated environment. To be afraid of consuming something this important or to be tricked into thinking that burning fat for fuel and breaking down protein for glycogen is insane. Getting most of your calories from sugar will take a huge burden off of your body and allow it to perform other functions correctly. If you feel bogged down or get crashes, that is not the sugar, that is your inability to process it.

                        Sugar does not help fight candida, it feeds it, allowing it to coexist without searching out food and becoming an invasive problem. Trying to starve candida is an exercise in futility because you have to eat sugar in some form, its impossible not to and eating just a tiny amount in an attempt to kill it will just make it send out feelers to find food. This is of course if you have candida at all, many people think they do but it is something else. I dont think its a good idea to try and kill anything thats firmly living in your body. If you succeed, you have something dead inside you. If you fail you usually piss it off and make it worse. Your body is made up of trillions of organisms that arent actually you, its impossible to know what everything does.

                        Very ripe tropical fruits would be my first choice. Citrus, grapes, pineapple, melons. Veggies fruits also, cucumber, tomato. Then herbs, cilantro, basil, mint, celery, ginger, tumeric. Also leafy stuff if you like. I usually juice once a day to make around 12oz worth. This alone made my health and digestion much better. Im a big fan of fruit/herb combo.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zach View Post
                          Well thats a good thing that it is not lyme! I got the underweight thing from your first post saying you are 100-107lbs? Certainly lean enough to not be worried about sugar.

                          I think sugar has gotten the worst rap in the history of nutrition, more so then even saturated fat. Sugar is a vital substance, having plenty of glycogen in both muscles and liver ensures optimal blood sugar, thyroid hormone, brain function, muscle function, energy (ATP), and an oxygenated environment. To be afraid of consuming something this important or to be tricked into thinking that burning fat for fuel and breaking down protein for glycogen is insane. Getting most of your calories from sugar will take a huge burden off of your body and allow it to perform other functions correctly. If you feel bogged down or get crashes, that is not the sugar, that is your inability to process it.

                          Sugar does not help fight candida, it feeds it, allowing it to coexist without searching out food and becoming an invasive problem. Trying to starve candida is an exercise in futility because you have to eat sugar in some form, its impossible not to and eating just a tiny amount in an attempt to kill it will just make it send out feelers to find food. This is of course if you have candida at all, many people think they do but it is something else. I dont think its a good idea to try and kill anything thats firmly living in your body. If you succeed, you have something dead inside you. If you fail you usually piss it off and make it worse. Your body is made up of trillions of organisms that arent actually you, its impossible to know what everything does.

                          Very ripe tropical fruits would be my first choice. Citrus, grapes, pineapple, melons. Veggies fruits also, cucumber, tomato. Then herbs, cilantro, basil, mint, celery, ginger, tumeric. Also leafy stuff if you like. I usually juice once a day to make around 12oz worth. This alone made my health and digestion much better. Im a big fan of fruit/herb combo.
                          Until I gained doing the "eat a ton" thing (or more aptly named, the "eat a ton of coconut" for those of us who were me). I don't think most of it is muscle, either. But I'm not worried... too much I just want to do whatever will make me better. Weight comes off when you're healthy.

                          I think it's wrong to antagonize something that is obviously meant for consumption, but don't some forms of sugar have not the greatest effects on the body? Is it false that fructose is hard on your liver, fucks with leptin, etc.?

                          That's what I thought, which was why I was confused. Well, in all of the countless whichways and whatways I've heard of to "cure" candida, I'm not sure I've ever heard of one actually working. If you can't beat em, at least don't piss them off. That sounds more reasonable to me than most of the stuff I've heard. Testing for candida is part of the lab work I'm hoping to have done and one of the only things that I'm praying to god that it turns out I don't have. So I don't even want to know anything about it unless I have it.

                          What would be your suggestion if I have a bad reaction to the juices? I'm sorry, I mean what would be your suggestion for when I have a bad reaction to the juices? Digestive upsets, detox reactions. Power through it? There seems to be a lot of "things will get worse before they get better" going around in the healing world (like with probiotics..). Or, better yet, how does one discern between that and the fact that they're just getting worse? In what case would sugar actually be doing me more harm than benefit (you say that people have a difficult time processing it)?
                          Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                          • #14
                            Some people have messed themselves up so bad with low carb, sugar avoidance, high pufa, inflammatory diets that their body can no longer cope with sugar correctly. Then instead of fixing that, they blame carbs and go further down the hole.

                            I dont believe something good should ever first be harmful so if you get symptoms with anything then avoid it. That said, sugar is different, just like first going on low carb you will get the carb flu, going high carb will give you energy crashes because you are not good at metabolizing it yet. As for juice, i can only ask you to try raw fresh juice and see how you react.

                            My advice is still to try a high sugar, low fat/low meat diet. Get most of your calories from any form of simple sugar that does not upset you and also from fresh juice. Get most of your protein from gelatin and a few eggs, shellfish and very little meat. Take digestive enzymes and drink coffee. Honestly if you are hurting so much just doing what you are doing, what do you have to lose to try something that im guessing you have never tried?

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                            • #15
                              You're right, I've never tried this. It's never been suggested to me.

                              I'll start with juicing (too much going on tomorrow, so the next day) and let you what happens. I've cut way down on fat recently (eating lean meats mostly) and have upped the carbs anyway (thank you, hormone induced binges), so hopefully I won't be in too poor shape when it comes to energy crashes. I'm already experiencing them anyway..

                              P.S. What is your stance on starch as carb source (sweet potatoes and the like)? And coconut water? I have had good reactions to coconut water. There's nothing else in the bottle, just sugar and electrolytes, right?
                              Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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