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  • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
    You need more salt to combat the excessive urination, you're likely not holding many minerals as you are now. Didn't notice any real source of sodium in your daily log, so just sayin'.

    Coconut water also has a gang of potassium

    I absorb magnesium better via epsom bath salts
    I salt my foods and liquids (juice, water, tea) with sea salt. This morning, within the span of 1.5 hours I drank a cup of coconut water, a cup of salted carrot juice, and peed four times. Is that normal? Edit: Make that five times...

    Isn't it beneficial to keep a higher potassium:sodium ratio?

    Epsom salt baths are lovely, but my roommate won't let me turn on the heat let alone fill the tub unnecessarily with water. Good thing she works 8 hour shifts... Will be sneaky about this.
    Last edited by ombat; 05-10-2013, 10:03 AM.
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    • Friday, May 10

      Food/Digestion:
      - AM: gelatin
      - Breakfast: 1 cup coconut water, 1 cup salted carrot juice, few cantaloupe spears
      - Mid morning: Starving. ~130g lamb, some sweet potato, applesauce with good amount of maple syrup
      - Lunch: Thai: red coconut curry (chicken, green beans, basil, zucchini), 1/2 cup of rice (Felt so uncomfortable last time I ate the whole bowl)
      - Afternoon: mate (no syrup)
      - Dinner: Can of tuna and 2 eggs cooked with coconut oil, curry, and pepper sauce, 2 rice cakes.
      - Late evening: 2 apples with maple syrup and cinnamon
      - Last day of counting. 3 consecutive days seems enough to get a good idea. I overestimated on the things I couldn’t measure: ~1860 kcal = 215g carb, 128g protein, 60g fat
      - EDIT: going out for a spicy salmon roll. not necessary and kind of stuffed already but I DGAF.
      - EDIT: ended up having 2 rolls and 3 shots of whiskey. Bloat afterwards was surprisingly not terrible! Still not acceptable, but not 6 mo. pregnant status.

      - Bloat - bad after thai. I should stop eating the vegetables. Worse by the end of the day.
      - BMs - good

      Thirst:
      - Much better. Still peeing a lot.

      Supps:
      - Magnesium Citrate (300mg)
      - Noopept (10mg x 2)
      - Zicam (x2)

      Sleep:/Energy
      - Slept 11-7:45
      - Crashed around 2:30. Napped from 3-4. Woke up feeling incredibly worse.

      Exercise:
      Morning:
      - Jump rope (100 x 5) - no asthma!
      - Lifting + Overhead squats (20lb)
      Evening:
      - 15-20 minutes of random exercise: pushups, mountain climbers, assisted pull ups, leg raises, handstands, back walkovers,
      Last edited by ombat; 05-11-2013, 09:49 AM.
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      • Hey dude,

        Actually, from the start of my journal I suddenly started peeing a lot. I added a lot of salt but it didn't help. The only thing that did was keeping my kidneys warm (wrapping a blanket around my middle). Anyway, turns out I have an infection which prob is making me pee so much. Might be worth checking out?

        ALSO - the bloating. I've tried giving up every single food, to no avail. I'm thinking now that in my case it's hormonal. Exccess oestrogen contribute to bloating. I know you said you have very little oestrogen - might be worth looking into?

        Sista sista
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Originally posted by ombat View Post
          I salt my foods and liquids (juice, water, tea) with sea salt. This morning, within the span of 1.5 hours I drank a cup of coconut water, a cup of salted carrot juice, and peed four times. Is that normal? Edit: Make that five times...

          Isn't it beneficial to keep a higher potassium:sodium ratio?

          Epsom salt baths are lovely, but my roommate won't let me turn on the heat let alone fill the tub unnecessarily with water. Good thing she works 8 hour shifts... Will be sneaky about this.
          I feel better personally with a much higher potassium to sodium ratio, but that could just be me(my blood pressure rises and falls a lot, excess sodium keeps it unstable, but a 3:1 potassium to sodium ratio keeps it normal).

          In this case, I think you could just need more calcium.
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          • 5 times in an hour and a half is beyond not normal. 5 times a day would be ok.

            Any advice i could give, you are already doing. Dont know whats going on there.

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            • There is a relationship between sodium, calcium, and potassium. Na+/Ca2+(sodium-calcium exchanger) is an antiporter which excretes excess from the body. This, along with supplemental magnesium, could explain the excessive urination.
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              • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                There is a relationship between sodium, calcium, and potassium. Na+/Ca2+(sodium-calcium exchanger) is an antiporter which excretes excess from the body. This, along with supplemental magnesium, could explain the excessive urination.
                Yea i was think the mag supplement might have something to do with it. That and the mate.

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                • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                  Yea i was think the mag supplement might have something to do with it. That and the mate.
                  Yep. I just think she's excreting excess sodium and potassium without proper retention.
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                  • Oh hey, i just looked again and realized that your breakfast was almost entirely liquid and was all cold. When someone has a tendency towards hypo, they will usually be cold in the AM and need some dense calorie warming food. I think your cooling liquids first thing is making your adrenalin shoot up, that will make you excessively urinate. Try salted eggs/potatoes, pancakes or something else dry, warm and calorie dense.

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                    • Good point Cierra. Also magnesium is a muscle relaxant.

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                      • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                        Hey dude,

                        Actually, from the start of my journal I suddenly started peeing a lot. I added a lot of salt but it didn't help. The only thing that did was keeping my kidneys warm (wrapping a blanket around my middle). Anyway, turns out I have an infection which prob is making me pee so much. Might be worth checking out?

                        ALSO - the bloating. I've tried giving up every single food, to no avail. I'm thinking now that in my case it's hormonal. Exccess oestrogen contribute to bloating. I know you said you have very little oestrogen - might be worth looking into?

                        Sista sista
                        Hmm, I'll look into infections.

                        It's a lot more difficult to find info on low estrogen than it is on high estrogen. The symptoms seem to be underdevelopment (which could explain a lot for me...), menstrual problems (which are not an issue at present), forgetfulness and fatigue (relevant), and some other things like headaches which I don't have any more. And I think the low estrogen might be a symptom of something else (adrenal problems) rather than it's own problem..
                        Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                        • Originally posted by Derp
                          n this case, I think you could just need more calcium.
                          Originally posted by Derp
                          There is a relationship between sodium, calcium, and potassium. Na+/Ca2+(sodium-calcium exchanger) is an antiporter which excretes excess from the body. This, along with supplemental magnesium, could explain the excessive urination.
                          Originally posted by Zach
                          Yea i was think the mag supplement might have something to do with it. That and the mate.
                          Oh hey, i just looked again and realized that your breakfast was almost entirely liquid and was all cold. When someone has a tendency towards hypo, they will usually be cold in the AM and need some dense calorie warming food. I think your cooling liquids first thing is making your adrenalin shoot up, that will make you excessively urinate. Try salted eggs/potatoes, pancakes or something else dry, warm and calorie dense.
                          My calcium levels seemed pretty good. Do you suggest I take a supplement?

                          My next question was going to be about the magnesium. It could definitely be throwing my mineral balance off, but it's the only thing that keeps my bowels going.

                          I will save juices / fruits for lunch or dinner and see what happens
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                          • Originally posted by Cierra
                            Regarding the excess urination: I don't know about your body composition, but do you happen to be underweight, or have you lost a a lot of muscle mass recently? I don't know if this will pertain to you, but whenever I was underweight and lost muscle mass, I had to pee all the time, immediately, all day. I wondered why the sudden need to pee became so severe, so a while ago I read that due to muscle loss, your unitary tract muscles are also being eaten away, so the need to pee is perceived as stronger since you can't "hold it" as long. Losing more muscle means even more loss of control over your bathroom habits, so to speak.

                            I have also read that the use of artificial sweeteners ca play a role in the frequency and urgency of urination. My mother has experienced this, as she drinks diet coke all day every day and she has to stop and pee no matter what, at least 15 times a day. The sweeteners cause your muscles to falsely contract and send a message to your brain saying you need to go, and the capacity that your bladder can hold lessens over time.


                            Maybe neither of these things apply t you, but I thought that since I have any info on it, it am contribute to you figuring out what's going on!
                            Thank you for the info, but I don't think either of those apply to me. I'm not underweight and have actually been gaining muscle mass recently.

                            Artificial sweeteners can cause bowel problems for the same reason... I learned that the hard way (thanks, Orbit chewing gum...)

                            EDIT: I have been taking zicam supps for the past 2 days which are basically just giant malitol candies, but this issue has been going on for much longer than that...
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                            • Just in case everyone thinks I'm crazy (well, I am....) I took the opportunity of looking pregnant after my post workout meal to post a (somewhat fraudulent) before and after pic. The "before" pic had to involve me sucking in my stomach to mimic what I looked like this morning, but it's pretty accurate. Today just happens to be a bad one (probably due to alcohol) but it still occurs... Didn't realize the first pic was blurry until I got it onto my computer but I'm not taking it over.

                              Befe and After May 2013.jpg

                              The one below I composed last summer for my doc: an actual before and after pic. I don't think it looks so severe here because it wasn't as bad as it had been for most of the summer by the time I got to the doc, but I wasn't going to induce more severe distention just for the sake of my argument...

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                              • You hottie!

                                We are definitely psychically connected... my belly is so ridiculously bloated right now that I was considering taking a pic of it too! Now that I know I'm infertile this may be my chance to get people to give up their seats for me on the underground...

                                Sorry, I have a dark sense of humour :8
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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