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  • #91
    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
    So glad it resonated Jenn! I actually live with an alcoholic, and I can see a lot of my ED behaviour in him. He hides his beer cans, and watches the clock for "acceptable" times to drink. He's very unhappy and drink makes him feel better. What makes you think you are using food as escapism?

    And thanks so much for the warm words - they mean a lot. I'm really glad to hear you're reading. Don't be a stranger!
    Are you referring to your husband? I believe you said something else about fighting with him about food and not being able to eat around him? I dont want to read into this but it sounds like there might be a problem?

    Also keep doing what your doing and i bet you will start to a downward trend. The hardest part about doin this is staying consistent and consciously following your hunger. Your doing awesome.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      Are you referring to your husband? I believe you said something else about fighting with him about food and not being able to eat around him? I dont want to read into this but it sounds like there might be a problem?

      Also keep doing what your doing and i bet you will start to a downward trend. The hardest part about doin this is staying consistent and consciously following your hunger. Your doing awesome.
      You do realise I posted that about the alcoholic?! Paleomom talked about arguing with her husband about something. I, in the meantime, live with a motley crew. An alcoholic, a sex addict, a food addict (me) and I think the last one is also a food addict.

      It's a happy household.. :P
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #93
        Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
        You do realise I posted that about the alcoholic?! Paleomom talked about arguing with her husband about something. I, in the meantime, live with a motley crew. An alcoholic, a sex addict, a food addict (me) and I think the last one is also a food addict.

        It's a happy household.. :P
        Oh, haha! No, i thought PM posted that.

        Jeeze, sounds like quite the crew!

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        • #94
          PaleoMom, I think that two things you mentioned recently are really significant victories in themselves. Your temp being higher is one, but what I take as a HUGE sign of progress is that you're maintaining on double the amount of calories as was your previous maintenance intake. That sounds REEEEEALLLY promising, if you ask me! (or even if you don't! )

          YB, I'm not sure whether or not I actually DO find some escape through food, but it's definitely something to ponder in addition to the ridiculously long list of things I ponder daily. I just realized recently that breaking "anything-and-everything-OTHER-THAN-BREAD" together, something that used to be a pleasurable experience, began having so many negatives attached to it that the pleasurable part of it really dwindled and it became more of a stressor and source of tension. I shouldn't have allowed it to get to that point, and that's probably a result of my having been defensive about it, perhaps even unnecessarily at times. I was/am always having to reassure family that my "unique food preferences" aren't "ABOUT MY WEIGHT!", but are about avoiding food that makes me feel like shit as a result of allergies, intolerances, etc. The only reason I've ever explained any of it is in an effort to avoid offending the family members preparing the food - it's awesome stuff, and I WISH I could eat it all!

          Eating at home, either alone or with my daughter (who gets it), is just easier and a much better experience. I wonder if I've begun to rely on it as a source of relaxation as much as a time for nourishment and re-fueling. I'm honestly not sure, I'll have to start paying more attention... but either way, I need to get back to being able to enjoy the social aspect of having meals with family and friends regardless of what I eat in comparison to the rest of em.

          Keep up the experimentation, you two - and keep posting about it!
          Last edited by GoJenGo; 04-09-2013, 04:36 PM.
          Life is not a matter of having good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.

          - Robert Louis Stevenson

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          • #95
            Jen,
            You are right, it is a big sign to maintain on twice as much food. I would be more excited to be maintaining less of me but I'm sure that will come in time
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            • #96
              I ate two huge bowls of veggies last night, a stir fry with cauliflower "rice". I never digest veggies like that very well, even with HCl and enzymes, but it was so tasty and I've been wanting more veggies lately. I was so bloated and gassy and my sleep was terrible.

              I think the bad sleep had more to do with my body aching and my neck being on the verge of spasming on me. My back feels similar. I don't really know why this is happening. I have been very inactive the last 4 days yet I feel like I've been out digging holes and moving rocks!
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              • #97
                Hey PaleoMom, cauliflower, like broccoli, is a cruciferous veg and can gas gas & bloating in a lot of people. Perhaps it would help to lay off cruciferous vegetables for a little while and see how your digestion is without them? I never sleep well if I'm bloated!

                A suggestion for your back & sleeping: try sleeping on your back, without a pillow. Your mattress could be at fault, but sometimes it helps to just lay out flat for a few nights so your muscles can relax optimally. I always try to sleep like that because my hips get crooked if I sleep on my side, and sleeping on my stomach hurts my lower back.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                  I ate two huge bowls of veggies last night, a stir fry with cauliflower "rice". I never digest veggies like that very well, even with HCl and enzymes, but it was so tasty and I've been wanting more veggies lately. I was so bloated and gassy and my sleep was terrible.

                  I think the bad sleep had more to do with my body aching and my neck being on the verge of spasming on me. My back feels similar. I don't really know why this is happening. I have been very inactive the last 4 days yet I feel like I've been out digging holes and moving rocks!
                  Inflammation from the fiber. On my worst days it felt like i was on fire when trying to sleep, my vertabre would ache. Vegetables just are not good foods to eat in large quantities for most people. Im sure you have but read Ray Peats article, Vegetables, who defines food.

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                  • #99
                    Sadly, cruciferous veggies are my favorites. I had about 3 cups of shredded cooked cauliflower last night with about equal portion of the other veggies on top of that. I will often have a few cup of broccoli at a time which isn't too bad but it doesn't give me a really empty feeling later that makes me want to each starch to sooth my stomach and fill it up.

                    I'll check out Peat's article, thanks. Inflammation from fiber... it certainly feels that way. I know extra fiber is bad for digestion, but I didn't realized the inflammation connection. That is very good to know.
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                    • LowTemp

                      This stuff is very interesting and has me really thinking. At the end he mentions dressing somewhat over warmly to avoid adrenal fatigue during this warming up period. I enjoy light clothing and bare feet and certainly have not been doing this, much the opposite actually. I've been experiencing more sensitivity to caffeine lately. I've always been sensitive but now even my one mug of weak white tea gives me trouble, which brings me to thinking I'm giving my adrenals trouble again.

                      My energy came up for a bit after increasing my liquids, but has gone back down again, though not nearly as low as before. I'm wondering if all this heating up could help me. I'm also wondering if I've still not been drinking enough water, I might try pushing to a bit too.

                      I'll also be taking my daytime temp a few times now. I've only been doing a morning one, but now I'm curious if I'm dropping during the daytime.

                      I went to the dentist yesterday and he said I have a cavity. The first one in my whole life. He only looked at it with a camera and for a few seconds. I'm actually going to get a second opinion, as he seemed really careless. I have always had an exceptionally deep groove in my back molar and he said he thought it was a cavity because it was deep. Never looked with his eyes or poked it with an instrument. New Dr. too.

                      That put me in a bad mood but also had me feeling like the more I try and take care of myself the worse things get sometimes! I'm sitting here with my first cavity, terrible fatigue (something that I fought for 15 years to get rid of and finally did last year and now I've brought it all back) and my flesh is bursting at the seams. I'm still getting heart palpitations (though much less than it was). I feel broken. If nothing else I just want my energy back. I have no idea how to undo what I've done. Go back to starving myself? That doesn't really make sense. Just feeling like I've run out of options.
                      Last edited by PaleoMom; 04-13-2013, 09:17 AM.
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                      • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                        LowTemp

                        This stuff is very interesting and has me really thinking. At the end he mentions dressing somewhat over warmly to avoid adrenal fatigue during this warming up period. I enjoy light clothing and bare feet and certainly have not been doing this, much the opposite actually. I've been experiencing more sensitivity to caffeine lately. I've always been sensitive but now even my one mug of weak white tea gives me trouble, which brings me to thinking I'm giving my adrenals trouble again.

                        My energy came up for a bit after increasing my liquids, but has gone back down again, though not nearly as low as before. I'm wondering if all this heating up could help me. I'm also wondering if I've still not been drinking enough water, I might try pushing to a bit too.

                        I'll also be taking my daytime temp a few times now. I've only been doing a morning one, but now I'm curious if I'm dropping during the daytime.

                        I went to the dentist yesterday and he said I have a cavity. The first one in my whole life. He only looked at it with a camera and for a few seconds. I'm actually going to get a second opinion, as he seemed really careless. I have always had an exceptionally deep groove in my back molar and he said he thought it was a cavity because it was deep. Never looked with his eyes or poked it with an instrument. New Dr. too.

                        That put me in a bad mood but also had me feeling like the more I try and take care of myself the worse things get sometimes! I'm sitting here with my first cavity, terrible fatigue (something that I fought for 15 years to get rid of and finally did last year and now I've brought it all back) and my flesh is bursting at the seams. I'm still getting heart palpitations (though much less than it was). I feel broken. If nothing else I just want my energy back. I have no idea how to undo what I've done. Go back to starving myself? That doesn't really make sense. Just feeling like I've run out of options.
                        Oh no Paleomom... I'm so sorry to read that. Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. I hit some lows during the last few weeks, but I'll tell you - the time when I started doing oil cleansing method and I could literally see new wrinkles forming on my face on a daily basis was incredibly upsetting. I felt exactly as you do now - that the more I was trying to help myself, the worse I was getting.

                        This is kind of an abstract thing to say, but I'll say it anyway. What I've learned is that we get on winning or losing streaks. Things were going really wrong in my life around Christmas: I was on a losing streak, and everything I tried made my life worse. Now I feel like I'm on a winning streak: the right answers seem to be coming.

                        I think maybe you need to take some time away for a day or two. Would you be able to do that? Could you book into a spa? It sounds like you need to clear your head and get some space from this whole process.

                        Just a few questions:
                        Is the only thing you've changed in your diet your quantities?
                        Are you still eating over maintainance?
                        Have you started cutting?
                        Also, when was the last time you had bloodwork done?

                        Hugs to you...!
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • Thanks YB, I know you are right but when I'm this tired I can hardly think and it is hard to remember that sometimes things are great!

                          I'm eating all the same foods as before just more.
                          I don't think I'm eating over maintenance anymore. I'm trying to eat "just enough". I'd guess I'm around 1800-2100 lately.
                          It has been a while since I've had bloodwork done. The thing is though is that I was feeling great before starting all of this and the change was quick, which points to my new changes being the cause.

                          I would love to get away for a bit but I have two homeschooled kids and a DH who is sick. I can't leave any of them!
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                          • That guy's article on intelligence was interesting. I feel really stupid right now, putting words together is particularly difficult, but also thinking back on my past: When I was 15/16 I had not only those two knee surgeries but I almost bled to death (mysterious hemmorage) and had a terrible concussion that caused some temporary memory loss and left me dizzy for weeks. Hard to know what caused what but I never recovered my IQ after that. I used to think very differently and now it feels like the harder I try to think about something the more my mind goes blank. Sort of like trying to stare directly at something in the dark, you have to use peripheral vision to see, if you stare at something it just goes black.

                            I'm curious if the lost intelligence was from blood loss and/or the concussion or from lower body temperature from all the above...
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                            • It's really hard to know what it is... I know that I felt exhausted for two weeks, and then my energy came back - quite suddenly. Then I crashed when I got back to London, but that was how I discovered the body temp thing...

                              Maybe you're right when you say it's your adrenals. Maybe your temp is being pushed up by adrenaline. Do you sweat when you feel hot?

                              Try taking it a few times today and see how it is. Also - put on several pairs of socks! I can't believe what a difference this is making to me - my feet are burning up, but I've stopped sweating.
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                                That guy's article on intelligence was interesting. I feel really stupid right now, putting words together is particularly difficult, but also thinking back on my past: When I was 15/16 I had not only those two knee surgeries but I almost bled to death (mysterious hemmorage) and had a terrible concussion that caused some temporary memory loss and left me dizzy for weeks. Hard to know what caused what but I never recovered my IQ after that. I used to think very differently and now it feels like the harder I try to think about something the more my mind goes blank. Sort of like trying to stare directly at something in the dark, you have to use peripheral vision to see, if you stare at something it just goes black.

                                I'm curious if the lost intelligence was from blood loss and/or the concussion or from lower body temperature from all the above...
                                That's really interesting... An experience like that would definitely register as a huge shock for your body.

                                What was your body temp to begin?

                                Edit: btw, Ray Peat also writes a lot about the connection between intelligence and metabolism
                                http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/intelligence.shtml
                                Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 10:15 AM.
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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