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  • I recommend you switch because that pink color is oxidized iron. Not a good thing to use daily. Btw salt, just like water is not a good source or any trace minerals, the people who tell you that they are are tryin to sell you something. You would do fine with any sea salt that is pure. You get minerals from food.

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    • Originally posted by Zach View Post
      I recommend you switch because that pink color is oxidized iron. Not a good thing to use daily. Btw salt, just like water is not a good source or any trace minerals, the people who tell you that they are are tryin to sell you something. You would do fine with any sea salt that is pure. You get minerals from food.
      Good to know about the oxidized iron, I won't buy that. I have a ton of the celtic salt already anyway.

      Today is going quite good, I'm even more sure now that my problem had been the eggs. No more of that! I'm not bouncing off the walls or anything today but feeling quite good and able to get stuff done. My energy is going up as the day goes on and I might even get in some strength work later. I had a bit too much caffeine this morning and don't like how that makes me feel (damn the yumminess of my teas) I think I'll cut that at least in half tomorrow or none at all
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      • PM, I've found that your body will tell you exactly what it needs Don't try to "eat Peat", just eat what you want and observe where within his guidelines it all falls - I bet it will be close. After a few weeks you can start to tweak things. I think a big mistake people make is trying to force feed themselves stuff that's on the menu. I made that mistake when I first tried to implement Peat last Jan - I was pounding coffee and it made me anxious and exhausted. You need to listen to yourself.

        This is going to sound controversial, but I wonder if you worry too much about getting all the nutrients you need. I'm coming to the conclusion that every body may have different requirements. For eg. Peat said that people with Rosacea have much higher vitamin B needs than regular people. Why dont you just give yourself a week of purely listening to your body, not eating anything you dont want to, and see how you feel? It's only a week, so it's not like you'd get deficient in anything in that amount of time
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          PM, I've found that your body will tell you exactly what it needs Don't try to "eat Peat", just eat what you want and observe where within his guidelines it all falls - I bet it will be close. After a few weeks you can start to tweak things. I think a big mistake people make is trying to force feed themselves stuff that's on the menu. I made that mistake when I first tried to implement Peat last Jan - I was pounding coffee and it made me anxious and exhausted. You need to listen to yourself.

          This is going to sound controversial, but I wonder if you worry too much about getting all the nutrients you need. I'm coming to the conclusion that every body may have different requirements. For eg. Peat said that people with Rosacea have much higher vitamin B needs than regular people. Why dont you just give yourself a week of purely listening to your body, not eating anything you dont want to, and see how you feel? It's only a week, so it's not like you'd get deficient in anything in that amount of time
          I think you are right. I don't often log my foods in anymore but since this was a new change that often brings me back to it for a bit while I get used to what it looks like in real life. I'm feeling a bit of the OCD that I got rid of coming back with the food tracking. I just constantly feel like I want to see what happens when I add this or that to the day and see what nutrients it fills in. I think I should give it up for a bit and at least know that this way of eating is working for me or not before giving a shit about every detail.

          I don't feel good with caffeine - that is going out. Certainly no more eggs. I'm not crazy about juices, so I won't push that either. I do like whole fruit (fuck the no berries, too) and I like my milk whole. I've not been happy with drinking the skim at all. I also really enjoy the chicken broth with gelatin at night. I'm not sure about the honey in my chai either. I feel like it is just too much of a sugar kick, knocks me out a bit. I've been craving salads too, so will indulge that some. I do want to commit trying raw for a bit though, I'm not craving cooked things, except when I have too much caffeine it makes me shaky and starch usually fixed my caffeine overdoses in the past. Fruit does not seem to help in that way.
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          • I think the road to finding the right nutrition for "you" is a long one, and it's not linear. You'll keep tweaking until you find the right thing. That's certainly how it was with me. Right before I went fully Peat I tried low carb again! I was eating shit loads of salads, meat twice a day.. It was good for me to go back to it so I could see how wrong for me it was.

            Btw, did your taste buds change at all when you went on your hormone treatment?

            And btw2 - it's really nice to have you back here!
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • I'm glad to see others ditching coffee. No matter the nutrients it provides, if it makes you feel bad it's just not working. I wonder if I don't tolerate it due to gluten cross-reactivity.

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              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                I think the road to finding the right nutrition for "you" is a long one, and it's not linear. You'll keep tweaking until you find the right thing. That's certainly how it was with me. Right before I went fully Peat I tried low carb again! I was eating shit loads of salads, meat twice a day.. It was good for me to go back to it so I could see how wrong for me it was.

                Btw, did your taste buds change at all when you went on your hormone treatment?

                And btw2 - it's really nice to have you back here!
                It sure is a long road. I'm feeling positive about the current changes I'm making. I do find that I rarely go backwards and usually find the next path (if it lasts past a week) is better than the previous one. I will probably go back to cooked soups and yams in the wintertime, I do like to keep things pretty local and seasonal, that is hard with fruit!

                No, my taste buds didn't change at all. The only things I noticed from it was improved energy and bigger boobs.

                It is nice to be back, feeling the community, but I also feel it is making me a bit OCD again and anxious about food, which is not so good. If I disappear again you are always welcome to write to me or send me something you want me to see. I find it hard to be here and not get obsessive but private emails are away from all the OCD distraction of a forum
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                • Originally posted by moluv View Post
                  I'm glad to see others ditching coffee. No matter the nutrients it provides, if it makes you feel bad it's just not working. I wonder if I don't tolerate it due to gluten cross-reactivity.
                  I was actually never doing coffee, I absolutely hate it. It was white tea and a chai blend with black tea that give me trouble. Sadly, even just a single cup of white tea can make me feel bad. I think all that will get better as my cortisol levels improve.
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                  • Weird, i hated coffee and everything it stood for my whole life. Then Derp convinced me and i love it. Maybe its just me but going the whole morning with only liquid calories (maybe some oysters) makes me feel incredible.

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                    • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                      I was actually never doing coffee, I absolutely hate it. It was white tea and a chai blend with black tea that give me trouble. Sadly, even just a single cup of white tea can make me feel bad. I think all that will get better as my cortisol levels improve.
                      Oh right. It was YogaBare on coffee and caffeine for you. I'm not going to have any caffeine aside from cocoa powder and see if I calm down a little. I just notice my stress response is a little jumpy. I'm with Zach on the liquid calories, empty but not hungry feeling. Today I just had a gelatined chocolate milk instead of coffee. Then a couple boiled eggs a couple hours later. I didn't get a withdrawal headache or anything. Tomorrow I may just have almond extract in my milk drink instead of cocoa. As far as the minerals that Peat says coffee is good for- where else can they be gotten from?

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                      • Coffee isnt really high in much, its the caffeine that Peat likes.

                        " Coffee drinkers have a lower incidence of thyroid disease, including cancer, thannon-drinkers.

                        Caffeine protects the liver from alcohol and acetaminophen (Tylenol) and other toxins, and coffee drinkers are less likely than people who don’t use coffee to have elevated serum enzymes and other indications of liver damage.

                        Caffeine protects against cancer caused by radiation, chemical carcinogens, viruses, and estrogens.

                        Caffeine synergizes with progesterone, and increases its concentration in blood and tissues.

                        Cystic breast disease is not caused by caffeine, in fact caffeine’s effects are likely to be protective; a variety of studies show that coffee, tea, and caffeine are protective against breast cancer.

                        Coffee provides very significant quantities of magnesium, as well as other nutrients including vitamin B1.

                        Caffeine “improves efficiency of fuel use” and performance: JC Wagner 1989.

                        Coffee drinkers have a low incidence of suicide.

                        Caffeine supports serotonin uptake in nerves, and inhibits blood platelet aggregation.

                        Coffee drinkers have been found to have lower cadmium in tissues; coffee making removes heavy metals from water.

                        Coffee inhibits iron absorption if taken with meals, helping to prevent iron overload.

                        Caffeine, like niacin, inhibits apoptosis, protecting against stress-induced cell death, without interfering with normal cell turnover.

                        Caffeine can prevent nerve cell death.

                        Coffee (or caffeine) prevents Parkinson’s Disease (Ross, et al., 2000).

                        The prenatal growth retardation that can be caused by feeding large amounts of caffeine is prevented by supplementing the diet with sugar.

                        Caffeine stops production of free radicals by inhibiting xanthine oxidase, an important factor in tissue stress.

                        Caffeine lowers serum potassium following exercise; stabilizes platelets, reducing thromboxane production."

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                        • I never have less than 1g of caffeine a day, sometimes pushing 3. Popular "science" states I will die after 10-24g, but I've probably had more than that when I was in high school or even recently I remember having like 2 gallons of coffee. I'm tempted to test this again, to be sure, but that's a fuckload of espresso shots.

                          Note: I make my coffee extremely "sludge" like, so it's super strong.
                          Last edited by Derpamix; 09-15-2013, 09:06 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                            Weird, i hated coffee and everything it stood for my whole life. Then Derp convinced me and i love it. Maybe its just me but going the whole morning with only liquid calories (maybe some oysters) makes me feel incredible.
                            That's right mein man

                            Another thing about caffeine and coffee: I've gotten my mom drinking 5-10 cups a day, and her bipolar like depression is nearly completely under her control, and she's functioning less like a zombie and sleeping a lot better.
                            Last edited by Derpamix; 09-15-2013, 09:18 PM.
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                            • Originally posted by moluv View Post
                              Oh right. It was YogaBare on coffee and caffeine for you. I'm not going to have any caffeine aside from cocoa powder and see if I calm down a little. I just notice my stress response is a little jumpy. I'm with Zach on the liquid calories, empty but not hungry feeling. Today I just had a gelatined chocolate milk instead of coffee. Then a couple boiled eggs a couple hours later. I didn't get a withdrawal headache or anything. Tomorrow I may just have almond extract in my milk drink instead of cocoa. As far as the minerals that Peat says coffee is good for- where else can they be gotten from?
                              Cocoa is high in magnesium. I like your ideal of gelatin milk chocolate. That might be tomorrows breakfast I can handle a bit of chocolate better than tea.
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                              • Sadly cocoa is also really high in phosphorus. It's still good to eat though.
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