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  • I've been pretty silent, so if anyone is still following I thought I'd update.

    I have an appt. with a new paleo ND tomorrow. I'm hoping to check some hormones and other basics a bit, however I'm somewhat opposed to a lot of the therapies given for those, so at this point I'm just gathering info to know where I'm at. I'm pretty certain my cortisol is low again and probably progesterone, dhea too.

    I'm feeling relatively good. Getting lots of gardening in each day, about 4-8 hours. I should be burning about 2,300 calories in daily activity and I've been eating around 1,800. Some days less and some days more. I should be losing, right? I'm not. This is getting depressing. I'm scare to restrict more and dropping metabolism but I'm getting around a 500 calorie deficit and not losing. I had thought after all this that if I did eat in a deficit the weight would at least come back off easily. I'm thinking this goes back to my hormones being off, especially since my middle is the real problem. I can actually feel my stomach bouncing up and down when I walk briskly, just like my breasts. Not cool.

    I'm going to bed early every day and sleeping a solid 8 hours. I'm not quite wanting to wake up when I do though but can't go back to sleep. After a few hours though, I feel awake with pretty good energy. I take the liver every day, I think that is important for me too. I've been careful to stop my daily activity before I feel like I'm going to crash, which is really helping me be able to get back at it everyday. I feel noticeably better on sunny days when I'm getting lots of vitamin D. I'm not sure if the activity I do on those days is keeping me feeling like doing more or if it is the sun. When a cloudy or rainy day comes I rest and feel like I wouldn't want to do anything anyway. It seems like more than a coincidence though, and I think the sun is involved. I've had my D checked and was good and continue to supp. but perhaps I need a new test.

    I've been breaking out this week all over my face and shoulders. I think it might be due to the sweat and dirt from gardening combined with needing to wash my face more because of that which has increase my oil production to compensate for all the drying out I'm doing. I'm sure it'll balance back out, but I'm not feeling good about leaving the house right now!
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    • I'm still reading

      I think it's great you're going to get your bloods done. What hormones are you going to check? (Which ones did you check before?) Regarding the lack of weight loss, how many weeks has it been now since you've curbed your eating? I know it's a big thing on this site that people make threads about how they're not losing, but I wonder if any of them have had bloodwork down that gives answers... might be worth searching!

      Also, maybe you feel better when it's sunny cos' it's also warmer?
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • Hmmm, yes, I do wonder if it might be because it is warmer. I don't care for it getting super hot either, but it sure does feel nice in the 70's or in the shade in the 80's. Warm to the core

        I'll talk with the Dr. about what tests to run. This is all out of pocket, so I'll be somewhat selective. I've had just about every test there is in the past, multiple times on the hormones. The only thing that has ever shown up is on the salivary cortisol, progesterone, DHEA tests and once my TSH was a high on my saliva test. My cortisol was down to a 1 in the morning and I think it only went up to a 3 in the evening - I could be wrong about the evening number though.
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        • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
          I'll talk with the Dr. about what tests to run. This is all out of pocket, so I'll be somewhat selective. I've had just about every test there is in the past, multiple times on the hormones. The only thing that has ever shown up is on the salivary cortisol, progesterone, DHEA tests and once my TSH was a high on my saliva test. My cortisol was down to a 1 in the morning and I think it only went up to a 3 in the evening - I could be wrong about the evening number though.
          Have you ever gone to an endo? Honestly, once I went I couldn't believe how simple it was for her to make a diagnosis: doctors don't have a clue about this kind of thing. Maybe you could make an appointment and they could recommend what hormones you should get checked based on your symptoms?

          From what I know as well, blood tests are more reliable for cortisol.
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
            Have you ever gone to an endo? Honestly, once I went I couldn't believe how simple it was for her to make a diagnosis: doctors don't have a clue about this kind of thing. Maybe you could make an appointment and they could recommend what hormones you should get checked based on your symptoms?

            From what I know as well, blood tests are more reliable for cortisol.
            I have been to many endo's over the years. They test the same things, say there is nothing wrong with me, suggest I need to exercise more even though my first complaint is that when I exercise it wipes me out for days. One of them, many years ago, told me my blood work was fine so perhaps it was all in my head. He said "You just have a screw loose." Can you believe that shit? They all used blood tests for cortisol. Then I finally started going to alternative doctors who did different types of tests the others didn't even know about, that is when all sorts of things started showing up. The trouble continued though because even those that could diagnose adrenal fatigue and recongnized it as real, only knew how to safely treat someone with a mild case. Advanced cases are often very damaged by the treatments that are very helpful to those in the early stages. So, this all made me worse and about $50,000 later I'm on my own to fix myself. I thought I'd done it too after about 15 years of suffering until we started eating more. That is when it all came back. I think now that I was just in the first phase of recovery, where symptoms are mostly gone and energy is back but inside things still need a lot of healing. Any major stress can send the person right back. When I thought I was helping myself by cutting back on liquids, I began to totally lose my thirst and didn't think about drinking at all, and became massively dehydrated. The tough thing was that I didn't seem dehydrated except for how the fatigue got so much better when I started forcing myself to drink a ton. Anyway, I think that was the stress that sent me back. I'm really not expecting much from any doctor at this point. I've traveled the country to see specialists and famous doctors who specialize in these problems and they still didn't help. All I want is to get the tests done so I can figure out myself what do with the info. I want to compare where I used to be to where I'm at now to see what has improved or changed to guide my recovery.

            I'm very happy that an endo was helpful for you. I know they are great for many people, but if you don't show up on their tests they don't know how to go any further. I personally put them in the same category as general practitioners, as they have been equally helpful for me. I would also take any meds they give you and research them heavily yourself before actually injesting them. Look for dependance, long term effects, people who can or can't wean off of them and does taking them weaken your bodies ability to produce that hormone itself. I would never treat one hormone without looking at them all. Estrogen dominance can be high estrogen with normal progesterone or normal estrogen with low progesterone, cortisol can effect estrogen dominance and vice versa, poor adrenals can lead to low thyroid and poor thyroid function stresses the adrenals. It is all a big circle and I don't think complete healing will ever take place without thought given to all of these things.
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            • I'm sorry PM - my response must have been frustrating for you. I had no idea that you've already spent so much time and money trying to figure things out... that really sounds crazy that nothing showed up in your blood tests with previous endos...

              Okay. I'm going to suggest something really out there. Have you ever tried Reiki, or something to that effect? I'm not saying it will "heal" you, but if you go to someone who is good, they'll be able to tell you how the energy in your body is flowing, and where they believe the major problems are. I've had loads of energy healing over the years, and they always told me that my problem areas were my throat (thyroid) and my reproductive system. One woman even told me I had a problem with my ovaries!

              Even if you get no info out of it, it's a lovely, destressing experience. (Applogies in advance if you're religious and not into those things).

              Regarding my own diagnosis: I got a scan of my womb, and it confirmed that I'm not ovulating, and my blood showed low prog, high est. So it all tied in. It fits in with everything I've experienced in life too... I do believe that all illnesses have emotional roots (disease = Dis- ease).
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • YB, don't be sorry, I wasn't frustrated at all. Sorry if I came off that way in my response. I'm always worried how my words "sound" to others. I'm terrible with the written word and feel so much more comfortable in person where I feel more certain that my intention was clear. HUGS!

                I just got back from the new ND. He seems awesome! I have to wait until day 19-21 of my cycle to do most of my tests and then 3 weeks for the results, so it will be awhile as unfortunately today is day 1 of my cycle He is testing my estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, dhea, cortisol (4 times of the day), TSH, fT3, fT4, TPO, D2/3, comp. metabolic panel, CBC w/auto diff/plts, sed rate and rheumatoid factor. He mentioned another test for mitochondrial function that we might do after these. He thinks I'm not really working on a mitochondrial level. I'm also supposed to drink coconut water daily, just like you YB Other than that we aren't doing anything until the results are in. It is a breath of fresh air to go to a Dr. that is already on the exact same page with food, plus he just seemed very knowledgeable. He is also a licenced Chinese med Dr. and does acupuncture and all that. He said my spleen, liver and pulse are weak.

                I have heard of Reiki but never been to someone. I'll have to keep my eyes out. I live in a small town, so some things can be hard to find. Anything relaxing is a bonus though. That is pretty amazing that you go the same diagnosis on your womb from both practices. Sounds like you found a very skilled pracitioner!
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                • Noooooo - you didn't come across like that at all! I'm just very sensitive to other people's feelings and wanted to make sure I hadn't poked you in a sore spot. Your intention was defo clear

                  That's great news about the doc! So nice to have someone who wants to help you get to the bottom of things. And that's an exhaustive panel - I'm impressed he's taking the cortisol 4 times (blood or saliva?) Apparently you're supposed to do that with estradiol too.

                  Yeah, I recommend it even as a relaxing experience. I used to be a practitioner, and it's unreal how much I used to be able to pick up from people, just from the way their body was pulsating. Incredible really. If you do decide to look into it just be careful about who you go to. If the person practicing isn't self aware then they can end up draining you. Just like people in real life...
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • The estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, dhea and cortisol are all saliva and the rest blood or blood spot. I think it is pretty standard to do 4x daily with the cortisol saliva test. All the blood tests I've had have been a single test though.

                    This morning my new Dr. emailed me a whole list of studies and info about all the possible treatments that we talked about. Pretty awesome! I love that he is keeping me informed and doesn't expect blind obedience.
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                    • Hey PM, just dropping by to say hi. I'm glad that you finally found a good doc. Keep us posted on how it goes!

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                      • Originally posted by serenity View Post
                        Hey PM, just dropping by to say hi. I'm glad that you finally found a good doc. Keep us posted on how it goes!
                        Thanks
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                        • Just popping in to say He-eyyy! I was thinking of you the other day, wondering how you're getting on. Hope the silence is a positive sign x
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • I have been busy in the garden and trying to stay away from the computer/diet obsession discussion. Last night I did pop in to catch up on your thread. I missed your pics though, I'm happy seeing you putting stages behind and moving forward to the next blockage. I'm really sick of the extra tire in the middle. I saw your bloated pic. a week or so ago, I would be ecstatic if I looked half that good when I wasn't bloated! I'm at a place where even sucking my stomach in, it protrudes quite a bit and in a very bulgy sloppy way. I'm really thinking about trying that metabolism diet you mentioned, I"m really needing to move on and get rid of this fat, it is super uncomfortable. I haven't been tracking calories but just eating as I please yet noticing that my consumption has gone way down. I was mentally tallying a few days and realizing I'm back to eating 1,000-1,400 calories on most days even though I'm working in the garden most of the day, every day. I didn't mean to be restricting again but I have accidentally been doing so (and yet I'm still not getting rid of this fat!). I haven't posted because I don't have anything positive to say about all of this or anything intelligent to add. If losing weight was going to be just as hard after doing all this I never would have allowed myself to do this. I'm simply 12 pounds higher from where I started, can't lose it and when I do I'll only be back to the weight where I was previously stuck at trying to lose almost 10 pounds from there! Super frustrated.
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                            • Aw girl... I can imagine how you feel. I know how horrible this weight thing is.

                              Maybe it might be a good time to read this thread again? http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83345.html

                              I feel hopeful about the FMD. I like how it addresses health instead of weight loss. And the poster who told me about it (can't spell her username) said that after a loooooong plateau (which came after losing 15 lbs in 15 months on Primal), she's finally losing 3 lbs a week. When I get back from hols in two weeks the book should have arrived and I'm going to start a thread on it and share all the info (type it out) so people don't have to buy it and we can all do it together There's nothing wrong with wanting to get leaner, so long as it's with the right attitude (health is more important, and self esteem comes before the weight loss).

                              Any updates on your blood tests etc?
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                                Aw girl... I can imagine how you feel. I know how horrible this weight thing is.

                                Maybe it might be a good time to read this thread again? http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83345.html

                                I feel hopeful about the FMD. I like how it addresses health instead of weight loss. And the poster who told me about it (can't spell her username) said that after a loooooong plateau (which came after losing 15 lbs in 15 months on Primal), she's finally losing 3 lbs a week. When I get back from hols in two weeks the book should have arrived and I'm going to start a thread on it and share all the info (type it out) so people don't have to buy it and we can all do it together There's nothing wrong with wanting to get leaner, so long as it's with the right attitude (health is more important, and self esteem comes before the weight loss).

                                Any updates on your blood tests etc?
                                That was a good article. I don't think I'm coming from too bad of a place but it is hard to feel comfortable in my skin when my thighs are rubbing together in the hot sticky weather and my stomach barely stuffs itself into my clothes. At this point it is just physically uncomfortable. I don't feel too bad about myself since my hubby is happy with the changes, but I don't feel uber confident either.

                                I downloaded that book and have skimmed it over. Easy enough to give it a try. I like that it is about lowering cortisol, protecting the thyroids and getting the metabolism up - NOT just cutting calories or forever eliminating foods. It is certainly something I can do for a month and see what happens. If it really works a month would be all I needed anyway.

                                I get the tests back in two weeks. I had to wait until day 20 of my cycle to take them, which just happens this last Tuesday. It is hard to wait, but will be super nice to see where I'm actually at. My energy has been pretty good lately even while doing tons of work in the garden/yard which usually wears me out. My memory though has become horrific and I think I forget about burners that I've turned on about 70% of the time!
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