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  • You may be familiar with the Buddhist proverb: pain is inevitable; suffering is optional.

    Ack I squirm thinking about your uncomfortable experience with the Chilean guy. It's so... deflating. But it sounds like something good might be going on with Yoga guy?
    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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    • Hey guys, Would love your advice!

      I'm thinking of signing up to this course. It would give me a basic nutritional qualification that would enable me to work in health food stores, with qualified nutritionalists etc. It teaches CW but whatever! It might be useful to have under the belt, particularly if I move to CA. Thoughts?
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • How universal is the course? Is that a respected certification if you moved to the US?

        On EDs: I have my own small experience with disordered eating, though I would never say I had an ED (it amuses me that this is also the acronym for erectile dysfunction). I read back through an old online community earlier this year and found myself lamenting being up to 108 lbs at 5'5" or 5'6". This is still plenty tiny (which is why I'm so horrified at your 112 lbs at your height). I was just a teenager, still developing, and had always been thin. I let go of that after a while, but the feeling of control from not eating is one I'm somewhat familiar with, though I never starved much. I self-injured. My sister had (has? is recovering from? she's vegan and I honestly believe that she will never fully recover as long as she remains that way) anorexia. She's 5'5" and got down to around 90 lbs at one point. She self-injured too, but I don't think for as long or as much. She was hospitalized in her early 20s when her hair started falling out, she was living off of sun butter, and she was basically malnourished. We don't talk about it. I don't think she'd be comfortable talking about it either. I know she still has plenty of body image issues. She struggles with depression a lot, but is on meds & goes to semi-regular therapy. I still have my own body image issues, but I think they're pretty normal. I still decided to ban the scale for the rest of the year though. I want to disassociate my measure of health from numbers. I see myself as fatter than I am. We don't even have a full-length mirror and I think it should stay that way.

        My best friend in high school was anorexic, though not ever underweight. She had all the thoughts and actions, but struggled to lose weight. She now runs a pretty successful paleo site and is publishing a book this fall, on top of running her own wedding photography business. I'd say she's recovered, but we haven't seen each other much in the past several years. I can see how one could use the framework of a paleo diet, like any diet, to control their body in a negative way. Maybe this is healthier, because it at least encourages appropriate nutritional intake & exercise, if you don't go overboard with either.

        I don't know how to approach supporting someone dealing with an ED. I know the irrational thoughts and feelings in my own way, but I know there's nothing I can say that will really make a difference. It has to come from within. Talking and encouraging talking is the only thing that I know can help.

        Hopefully this is not an unwelcome question for any reason: have you sought counselling?
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        • My idea for drug rehab is pretty simple. It's for high functioning drug addicts who can't take a couple weeks off to go to in-patient rehab. So people who have jobs or are in school and who function just fine with the drug. But if they were to quit cold turkey, the withdrawal symptoms will render them non-functional. Basically, you wean them off very slowly. It will take months, but there will be minimal withdrawal symptoms and minimal disruption to their lives. This will be coupled with optional therapy. The idea is to make it affordable even for students. Complete anonymity too. I don't even know if this kind of establishment would be legal. Probably not because you basically have to give them drugs for the months during which you're weaning them off. I wouldn't be surprised if it's illegal. The government just likes to make it impossible to get anything done or to help anyone, I mean, truly help them.

          As for the nutrition course, I have the same concern as nameless. Will the course be recognized in the U.S.?

          Nameless--you said you self-injure, were you a cutter? I was a cutter too for a while. I started cutting before I became bulimic. It started in fifth grade. Sometimes I think I'm some kind of mutant--all of my insanity started at such a young age. Cutting in fifth grade, 10 or 11. Bulimia started the summer after fifth grade--11. When I was an older teen, I'd be so angry sometimes (again, the rage thing) that I couldn't function (i.e., do homework), and the only way I'd calm down was if I cut myself. So cutting was a way for me to calm down and feel better. It was a kind of release. I think I would have preferred to beat someone else up, but that wasn't really an option so I directed the rage at myself instead. There was also something about the pain that was very satisfying. Probably had something to do with the release of endorphins in response to the pain.

          I haven't done it for years though. I think the last time was in 2008. (But, in general, I did it very rarely after high school.) However, the most recent time I felt like injuring myself, that was 2 years ago, I just punched a punching bag (one of those hard ones) without gloves on. When I was done my right hand was completely bruised and swollen. That did the trick. Sprinting sort of works too. I think that may be the healthiest option.

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          • Diene, yes, I was a cutter. I started at 15 yrs old, but have spoken to several people for whom it was younger, like you. I tended to be more sad than angry, as I had no energy to blame anyone but myself, if that makes sense. A active outlet like boxing probably would have been very good for me, if someone could have made me stick with it. What you said about calming & the release was very true for me as well. I've spoken with a number of self-injurers over the years, since I ran a Yahoo group for teens dealing with SI. I shut it down this year after it had become inactive for a while and found that very cathartic. I consciously "quit" in 2006, with last relapse in 2008. There have been tempting times since then, but I honestly do not believe it is a viable option for myself as a coping mechanism. I have actually tried talking to people the last several times I've been tempted and that helps get me through the rough moments until the feeling is gone. I never used to talk to anyone about how I was feeling back then.
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            • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
              How universal is the course? Is that a respected certification if you moved to the US
              Originally posted by diene View Post
              As for the nutrition course, I have the same concern as nameless. Will the course be recognized in the U.S.?
              Apparently it's recognised in "some states"..! Need to ascertain what that means!

              I'm really sorry that you both went through those cutting phases. I cut once, when I was 17, but it was actually more a half hearted suicide attempt. I literally cut, realised it hurt too badly and stopped I've had a suicide plan for a long time though; this winter I was the closest I've ever been to carrying it out.

              I definitely think we could all do with some rage release! Tomorrow I'm going to Muay Thai Kickboxing.

              You know what's weird though? Is that since taking the Duphaston / switching to Ray Peat eating, I've become aware of the rage for the first time. I used to be incapable of getting angry and impassioned - kind of prided myself on it. Every now and again I'd get angry, but most of the time I felt flat, or in anguish, and then would binge / drink / take drugs to anethesise myself. In the last month I've become soooo acutely aware of this inner rage that I'm carrying towards the world. It's strange.

              Nameless: I've been for quite a lot of therapy. Plus I've read an inordinate amount of self help books, have spent 8 months in India (which is spiritual self help paradise), and have a psychologist sister I love that I get increasing clarity on things; it's just that the pain is never ending. Well, it does feel like it's getting better these days, I hope.


              Originally posted by ombat View Post
              You may be familiar with the Buddhist proverb: pain is inevitable; suffering is optional.

              Ack I squirm thinking about your uncomfortable experience with the Chilean guy. It's so... deflating. But it sounds like something good might be going on with Yoga guy?
              I'm being smart now, but you've heard of the phrase "easier said than done"?

              Yeah, it was a pretty shit situation. Obviously a lot worse for him, but I'm still feel bad about it!

              Maybe... We'll see. We've been chatting on the phone, and by text. I enjoy his company. We're meeting again on Wednesday...
              Last edited by YogaBare; 07-25-2013, 02:45 PM.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • I think that awareness is a good thing. Becoming more aware of how I was feeling was definitely huge in getting a handle on overwhelming thoughts and feelings.
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                • Thursday, 25th of July

                  I'm back to putting dates on my entries Couldn't be bothered thinking of creative titles any more.

                  Eyesight
                  I forgot to tell you, reader: got my eyes tested yesterday, and my vision has improved!! Not by much - by .25 in the right eye, but it hasn't changed in six years, and before that it was deteriorating. I wonder what improved it? 1) Cutting out junk food 2) Cutting out gluten, 3) Starting to eat meat again?

                  Cupping
                  My new fad! This sounds weird, but my legs are really... congested. They bruise really easily, I've developed cellulite, and they always feel tight and cold to the touch. I've been dry brushing for a few months, and it hasn't helped. So, time for cupping! Apparently it helps improve circulation and lymphatic drainage, but it take about three weeks. So far, it's painful But apparently it gets better as your lymphatic system decongests...

                  Info here: Results of Our Cupping for Cellulite Challenge

                  Quote of the Day

                  “The beginning of love is the will to let those we love be perfectly themselves, the resolution not to twist them to fit our own image. If in loving them we do not love what they are, but only their potential likeness to ourselves, then we do not love them: we only love the reflection of ourselves we find in them”

                  ― Thomas Merton, No Man Is an Island
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • Is this the kind of cupping used an acupuncture? I wrote a paper on the effects of acupuncture in high school and they put heated glass cups on my back (that suctioned on) as part of it. The circles all over my back were hilarious and lasted for days! The acupuncturist also gave me some herbs that my mom put into gelatin capsules for me. They made me have large (but well formed) BMs. I wonder what was in it!
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                    • That's interesting about your slightly improved vision. I need to have mine retested. I feel that I can now see clearer far away.
                      I know diet doesn't fix everything, but dropping gluten and nasty oils could be helping a lot.

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                      • My eyesight is clearer too. I mentioned improvement in most of my senses in my journal. The eyesight is probably just vitamin a from quality sources.
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                        • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                          Is this the kind of cupping used an acupuncture? I wrote a paper on the effects of acupuncture in high school and they put heated glass cups on my back (that suctioned on) as part of it. The circles all over my back were hilarious and lasted for days! The acupuncturist also gave me some herbs that my mom put into gelatin capsules for me. They made me have large (but well formed) BMs. I wonder what was in it!
                          Yup, cupping is from Chinese Medicine I've studied TCM a bit, and there are so many similarities between its approach and Peat's! I'm skeptical of its modern-day practice though. A lot of charlatans out there.

                          Originally posted by Graycat View Post
                          That's interesting about your slightly improved vision. I need to have mine retested. I feel that I can now see clearer far away.
                          I know diet doesn't fix everything, but dropping gluten and nasty oils could be helping a lot.
                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          My eyesight is clearer too. I mentioned improvement in most of my senses in my journal. The eyesight is probably just vitamin a from quality sources.
                          I remember reading that, and actually I thought of you yesterday because I'm noticing a huge improvement in my sense of smell! It happened quite suddenly. Weird.

                          I don't know the cause for the eye sight improvement. I don't eat much Vit A tbh...
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • I'm not familiar with cupping. Have you tried it before now? I've had lymphatic stuff going on. I used to go to a health store and get on one of those full body vibration machines. It gives more benefit than using a rebounder. Some say it's a gimmick but it always helped with when water retention would get really bad. I want to buy one.

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                            • Gut issues

                              UGH. Today makes day three of terrible bloating.

                              My stomach has been pretty flat since I cut back on milk, but on Thursday I had some OJ, which made my belly swell, and now everything is affecting me. I'm so bloated that I'm finding it difficult to take a proper breath. In addition, I've had the runs pretty much every day for three weeks. Bye-bye IBS-C, hello IBS-D!

                              I want to get to the bottom of this (no pun intended ) so I don't have to go through my life continually narrowing my range of foods. I don't want to avoid freaking milk!

                              Potential problems:

                              1) Gut dysbiosis.

                              Gut dysbiosis by definition means that pathogenic bacteria and yeast are no longer being kept in check by friendly gut flora. Because of this, increased intestinal permeability or leaky gut is all but a foregone conclusion. The constant inflammation these organisms and their toxic metabolites cause at the level of the gut wall will compromise the barrier function that protects you from the contents of your intestines.
                              2) Serotonin
                              Mine is midway in the normal range, but according to Ray Peat this is still too high. Serotonin has some connection to gut health.

                              Serotonin is produced in the enterochromaffin cells (EC) in the intestinal mucosa. Serotonin is produced, and then it bonds with its receptors. These receptors are known as the 5-hydroxytryptomine receptors, or as they will be referred to here on out as 5-HT receptors. Once the serotonin is released, it activates our system to increase intestinal motility. Research has shown that there is an increase in plasma 5-HT during diarrheal diseases, and a decrease in them when constipation is present (Cammilleri, 2009).
                              However, because I vacillate between no shits and THE shits, I don't think it's a serotonin issue. I doubt my levels could vacillate that widely?

                              How it all began
                              I'm trying to think of when I first noticed the bloating, and I really think it was the year I started binging, when I was 19. I wonder if that habit damaged my stomach. When I was 20 I used to go for Italian food a lot, and whenever I would go and have pasta with a heavy creamy sauce, I would instantly be crippled with stomach pain, and get the runs. I stopped eating that kind of food, so can't say if it still happens. I spent a lot of time in India, and got pretty bad Delhi Belly.

                              I'm thinking I might go to a naturopath, get a stool test done, find out exactly what bacteria are present and get a herbal medication for this.

                              Derp gave J3nn some suggestions for her gut health: activated charcoal, cascara sagrada, and periactin. The charcoal sounds like something I could try, but the cascara sagrada is a laxative (not good when you already have the runs ). The periactin appealed to me cos' Derp said it's anti-estrogenic too, but it's a hay fever sup and seems to have a lot of side effects?

                              Derp, if you're reading please help me!

                              Originally posted by brooke.S. View Post
                              I'm not familiar with cupping. Have you tried it before now? I've had lymphatic stuff going on. I used to go to a health store and get on one of those full body vibration machines. It gives more benefit than using a rebounder. Some say it's a gimmick but it always helped with when water retention would get really bad. I want to buy one.
                              Interesting - I've never heard of those machines.

                              I'm not gonna lie to ya - cupping hurts like hell It's meant to be amazing for decongesting the body. It remains to be seen...

                              This is what happened to me when I got it done a few years ago:



                              The darker the marks, the more congested your blood is... Or so the theory goes.
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • OJ gets to me too. Is it fresh squeezed (by you) or store bought? Someone on a Peat forum commented that their stomach handled fresh squeezed but not store bought and I have noticed the same.

                                Anyway, I think you should get lab work to see whats going on in your gut. That's what I'm trying to do....
                                Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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