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  • I think there are better ideas for fat loss then carb cycling, like you said its a slippery slope and it means you need to be pretty strict and cout calories. When you do decide to transition away from the current diet i will give opinions on better options.

    Yes Betein HCl w pepsin is not like other supplements. Trust me, you wont find a bigger minimalist then me, i hate supplements simply for the inconvenionce of doing something routinely. This is different, it trains your body to produce enough bile on its own. The positives i experienced the same day i started was unbelievable. No other supplement has ever had this dramatic of effect on everything from digestion, heartburn, elimination and gas to libido, stregth, fatigue and mood. I was feeling good becore but this is another level.

    I highly suggest you order some today, get the twinlabs HCl with Pepsin.
    Last edited by Zach; 04-01-2013, 02:08 PM.

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    • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
      The usual recommendation is to slowly up your dose one cap at a time until you feel a warming (for me it was a burning) sensation in the stomach then back off by one cap and that is your dose. Over time when you start feeling the warming sensation again back off by another cap until you are off of it. It is a temporary boost. Fermented foods before meals are also supposed to trigger your body to start producing HCl and might help you need less supplemental HCl.

      I like the kind with pepsin in it. I took a different kind once and it was horrible even at really low doses.
      Did you ever try ACV? I tried that a few times but it didn't immediately change my life so I didn't stick with it long enough to notice a different. Like I said at teh start of the journal... I suck at sticking to things!

      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      I think there are better ideas for fat loss then carb cycling, like you said its a slippery slope and it means you need to be pretty strict and cout calories. When you do decide to transition away from the current diet i will give opinions on better options.

      Yes Betein HCl w pepsin is not like other supplements. Trust me, you wont find a bigger minimalist then me, i hate supplements simply for the inconvenionce of doing something routinely. This is different, it trains your body to produce enough bile on its own. The positives i experienced the same day i started was unbelievable. No other supplement has ever had this dramatic of effect on everything from digestion, heartburn, elimination and gas to libido, stregth, fatigue and mood. I was feeling good becore but this is another level.

      I highly suggest you order some today, get the twinlabs HCl with Pepsin.
      Yeah... I'm getting really impatient with the body fat, and I'm kind of adament not to put on more weight, which is probably not the right mentality at this point... I'm kind of forgetting what's supposed to happen as well - does the metabolism really rev up so that I can eat more in the future?

      Anyway...! I found some HCl options for the UK - do you think any of them look alright?
      Buy Lamberts Health Care Betaine HCl 324mg /Pepsin 5mg from Lamberts
      Solgar Betaine Hydrochloride With Pepsin
      Betaine HCL + Pepsin - Maintain proper acidity levels in the digestive systems! :: Digestive Aid product :: Health Plus
      Last edited by YogaBare; 09-25-2013, 05:10 PM.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • E.M.T.W.L

        Entry Seventeen: By Any Other Name


        This will have to be a quick one cos' I'm already writing it a day late...!

        Sleep:
        12am - 6am. Not enough. Woke cos I was cold.

        Food:

        Today was a massive jump back up in cals, and unfortunately, my evening eating was driven by a binge mentality.

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        I had a big breakfast, a decent lunch, but driving back from my sister's I started to get hungry but was stuck in the car for 2.5 hours. When I got back I ate curry, root veg puree, but I was really, really craving something sweet. I tried all my tricks: tea with sugar, fruit, spoons of honey, but I wanted chocolate. Eventually I caved and ate some but... I didn't binge on it. Only had six chocolates from a box. Maybe cos I was so full I couldn't fit any more in! Or maybe cos' my satiation receptors kicked in? Normally when I eat junk I have to eat a lot to get the chemical effect it gives me, but this time I definitely noticed that glazed, opiate feeling after just a few pieces. Ironically I wasn't even looking for that feeling.

        I'm trying to understand what was driving me to binge. It wasn't for escapism. Was it physical? Or was it because subconsciously I'm trying to restrict what I can eat again? Not by much obviously, but I was delighted when my cals dropped into the 2000's. As I mentioned, being with my sister was quite triggering.

        And at the end of the day:
        I'm not in bad form but... I am angry and frustrated. I'm really, really sick of being this weight. I feel like I'm rotting away. I need to start seeing some physical benefits soon.

        PS. Appologies to people reading. Don't take my negativity too seriously - I don't. I recognise that I'm up and down. This journal is helping me to keep the downs in check, cos they are always followed by an up
        Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 02:58 AM.
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Yea that Solger brand looks good.

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          • Originally posted by Zach View Post
            Yea that Solger brand looks good.
            Just ordered Thanks for all your help!

            E.M.T.W.L

            Entry Eighteen: Where does stretching end and shrinking begin?


            Sleep:
            Monster sleep. 12.30am - 11.30am! I always sleep a lot after a binge. Had night sweats again.

            Digestion:
            Healthy.

            Food:
            I didn't get hungry today until quite late, and I just wasn't bothered forcing myself to eat. So my calories ended up being a lot lower than they have been.

            Screen Shot 2013-04-03 at 00.04.18.jpg

            I didn't really get hungry til the evening, but then once I started eating I noticed I was restricting a bit. Part of me didn't want to eat the three potatoes on my plate, but another part of me was intentionally avoiding them. I initially only ate one, then I was honest and ate a second. I didn't want the third.

            In fact, I'm starting to wonder how much of my eating is driven by thirst, and a craving for salt. Today I drank water with salt and lemon, and every glass was as good as a meal! Salt also seems to have as stimulating an effect on my thyroid as refined sugar: possibly even more. I had my last glass a few hours ago, and I can still feel sensation in my thyroid. (I know that sounds mad, but yeah: I literally feel how foods effect me).

            Starting back on the ACV to see if that effects my stomach acid til I get the HCl tablets.

            And at the end of the day:
            Not sure if I should have forced myself to eat more today, but I've been so hungry lately it felt wrong to eat when I wasn't feeling the rage of my appetite. I've been researching Low Stomach Acid and a few articles did say that it can cause a voracious appetite. But then again, its list of symptoms was pretty extensive

            Ending this post with the same old hope that this experiment is going to change my inner landscape, and that this will effect my outward appearance. As within, so without.

            And a quote from Bill Hicks, which has nothing to do with "Eating more to weigh less", but hey - I figure I need less food and more Bill in my life

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            Last edited by YogaBare; 09-25-2013, 05:12 PM.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • Was this the first day doing salted water? Will be interesting to see if it keeps having that same effect. Fun y how something so simple can have such a profound effect. Your right about salt having a big impact on thyroid, i feel the same with my salted water, its another one that changed my life.

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              • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Was this the first day doing salted water? Will be interesting to see if it keeps having that same effect. Fun y how something so simple can have such a profound effect. Your right about salt having a big impact on thyroid, i feel the same with my salted water, its another one that changed my life.
                Yeah, first day! I'm also interested to see how it goes. Funny, it has the same effect as coconut water: that feeling of instant absorption. normally when I drink water it makes me thirstier.

                How did this one change your life? Do you feel it's like drinking a meal?
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • Yea something about minerals in water make it much more available to the body. No i dont use it for appetite suppressent. Before i was not drinking any water and getting all my fluids from food or juice/milk. I would get heart palps and a chest tightness late at night. One day i was reading something about curing cancer with cannibis oil and the guy said to always drink water with a pinch of salt because it helps your body to absorb the water instead of diluting it and pissing it right out. That could be complete crap but i found it interesting and since i never drink water it was just one of those lightbulbs that went off saying that i bet im dehydrated. It was something i just never tried, you know? Its weird but after so many years there is not much i havnt tried and now my biggest leaps in health come from tiny little things that seems so simple its almost dumb.

                  Anyway i just feel better all around. More energy, better skin, better endurence and blood flow (sexual) and just feel healthier. I think people do need a lot of water i their diets but i think the sodium is key. I love coconut water as well but i dont trust imported coconuts so i dont drink it daily.

                  Another thing that i think about is how much minerals we would have as sea going and coastal people. If you eat straight from the ocean and swimming/living next to it you would be gett massive amounts of sodium as well as other minerals.

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                  • Your thyroid experience reminds me of a kombucha experience I had once. I got between some dogs in a fight at a time when I was really battling adrenal fatigue. I felt so full of adrenaline and just completely toxic from it. I drank a big glass of kombucha and it felt like it just attached itself to all the adrenaline in my body and took it right out. Very strange!
                    PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
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                    • Good day! Hooray Ms Bare! I know what you mean about clock watching for food. I have 1 hour and 48 minutes till lunch

                      My menstrual cycle is all over the place too, but mostly I think because my body is stressed from lack of food or sleep. I am anywhere from 21 - 65 days! Makes planning a little hard. Do you get PMS? Mine is less from eating primally.

                      Also, a few post back about cellulite. I was interested to read that yours is worse from eating primal - why? I've never had much but it's much better, I only noticed recently. Someone gave me a huge tube of free anti-cellulite cream (new product) meant to dramatically reduce within 4 weeks. It's been 2 so far and no change, I'll keep you posted. It's not something I would ever have bought myself, but may as well give it a go. It's pretty stinky stuff, makes me gag a bit if it catches in my throat!

                      No peace with food for me lately. Hoping it reaches you instead

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                      • *waves* nothing of import to say, but it feels rude to lurk!
                        I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                        • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                          Your thyroid experience reminds me of a kombucha experience I had once. I got between some dogs in a fight at a time when I was really battling adrenal fatigue. I felt so full of adrenaline and just completely toxic from it. I drank a big glass of kombucha and it felt like it just attached itself to all the adrenaline in my body and took it right out. Very strange!
                          That's so interesting... Did you read up on Kombucha afterwards to see what kind of effects it has on the body? Whenever I eat a food that gives me that feeling in my thyroid I usually email encyclo-Derp and ask him whether it's a food that supports or suppresses thyroid. It's always one that supports it! Our bodies are actually so sensitive if we learn to listen...

                          Originally posted by Dexy View Post
                          Good day! Hooray Ms Bare! I know what you mean about clock watching for food. I have 1 hour and 48 minutes till lunch

                          My menstrual cycle is all over the place too, but mostly I think because my body is stressed from lack of food or sleep. I am anywhere from 21 - 65 days! Makes planning a little hard. Do you get PMS? Mine is less from eating primally.

                          Also, a few post back about cellulite. I was interested to read that yours is worse from eating primal - why? I've never had much but it's much better, I only noticed recently. Someone gave me a huge tube of free anti-cellulite cream (new product) meant to dramatically reduce within 4 weeks. It's been 2 so far and no change, I'll keep you posted. It's not something I would ever have bought myself, but may as well give it a go. It's pretty stinky stuff, makes me gag a bit if it catches in my throat!

                          No peace with food for me lately. Hoping it reaches you instead
                          Hey Dex

                          I thought my cycle was screwed from not eating meat for so long... but I think the problem goes back further, cos I did have cysts on my ovaries when I was 19/20. I never got bad PMS but I noticed this month I got zero cravings, which is an anomaly!

                          It's not the primal diet that's worsened my cellulite: it's my 16 lb weight gain, and all the junk food binges Although saying that, it's gotten worse again since I started body brushing and refeeding. I'm hoping that it's disloging... Btw I don't think those creams do anything :P

                          Sorry to hear that you still don't have peace with food It's such a good expression, isn't it? Is that a phrase that's used at OA?

                          Hugs!

                          Originally posted by Zach View Post
                          Yea something about minerals in water make it much more available to the body. No i dont use it for appetite suppressent. Before i was not drinking any water and getting all my fluids from food or juice/milk. I would get heart palps and a chest tightness late at night. One day i was reading something about curing cancer with cannibis oil and the guy said to always drink water with a pinch of salt because it helps your body to absorb the water instead of diluting it and pissing it right out. That could be complete crap but i found it interesting and since i never drink water it was just one of those lightbulbs that went off saying that i bet im dehydrated. It was something i just never tried, you know? Its weird but after so many years there is not much i havnt tried and now my biggest leaps in health come from tiny little things that seems so simple its almost dumb.

                          Anyway i just feel better all around. More energy, better skin, better endurence and blood flow (sexual) and just feel healthier. I think people do need a lot of water i their diets but i think the sodium is key. I love coconut water as well but i dont trust imported coconuts so i dont drink it daily.

                          Another thing that i think about is how much minerals we would have as sea going and coastal people. If you eat straight from the ocean and swimming/living next to it you would be gett massive amounts of sodium as well as other minerals.
                          It's true about the salt intake: when I was vegan I never salted anything, and my blood pressure was so low that I would get dizzy standing up. Same thing happened when I went low carb. I've always had low bp but lately I've been salting everything heavily, and when they check my bp in the gym it was normal for the first time in my life! Also, I noticed that when I used to eat salted oatmeal for breakfast (so good!) my bms were totally regular, and I attributed this to the salt drawing water into the small intestine.

                          It's great you say that about dehydration: I've thought for ages that I seem to have difficulty absorbing water cos' my hair and skin are dehydrated (as oppsed to dry) and even if I drink a lot of fluids it doesn't make a difference cos' I just pee it out. It'll be interesting to see what happens now.

                          And yeah, much as I love coconut water, I'll be happy if I don't need to drink so much of it as it's a total drain financially...!

                          Btw, re. stomach acid: what do you think of ACV as a tonic?
                          Last edited by YogaBare; 09-25-2013, 05:09 PM.
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • ACV is one of those weird things that some people say is magical and others say can be harmful. Some say its an acid that turns alkaline in the body, others that its so acid that it will help with stomach acid.

                            Its been around for thousands of years and Hippocrates used it as a cure all so maybe it could be of use. Personally i cant stand the taste of vinegar so for that reason alone i dont fucks wit it.

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                            • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              ACV is one of those weird things that some people say is magical and others say can be harmful. Some say its an acid that turns alkaline in the body, others that its so acid that it will help with stomach acid.

                              Its been around for thousands of years and Hippocrates used it as a cure all so maybe it could be of use. Personally i cant stand the taste of vinegar so for that reason alone i dont fucks wit it.
                              Ha, I wish I had the problem of disliking certain foods but I never met a foodstuff I didn't want to eat

                              I took it a few times but I didn't notice any benefit so I never stuck with it. Part of me feels that something should have an immediate effect or that means it's not the right thing. But maybe that's cos' I'm part of the MTv generation :P
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • Kombucha is a very slow and mild chelator. I drank it while doing other chelation for getting rid of heavy metals. I'm not sure if it was doing the same thing to the adrenaline. I could feel it in every vein in my body. I once drank it while I had a terrible UTI that had started to go to my kidneys and I could feel it go right to them. BTW: I've found kombucha to be the best cure for a UTI I can find. I've had stubborn ones that nothing helped, that went right away after a few bottles. I don't get then anymore though, I think it was a grain thing.
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