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  • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
    Is estrogen dominance low progesterone or high estrogen?
    It's always high oestrogen, but can also be low progesterone. I have both.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
      Hey Dragonfly, thanks for popping in I was diagnosed with Oestrogen Dominance a few months ago, and was prescribed Duphaston. It didn't agree with me the first month, so this month I started supplementing with Vitex and I feel much better. However, I'm getting very heavy spotting now, which I'm a little concerned about...

      Why is a progestin bad?
      Progestins only have specific receptors in the body. Progesterone is a precursor for all the sex hormones and is used in many ways in the body.

      If you want to balance your hormones, then Progesterone is a better choice, progestins are drugs to treat symptoms, but do not contribute to hormone balance in the long run.

      Here's the continuum as I understand it: Vitamin D3 > DHEA > Pregnenolone > Progesterone > Estrogens > Testosterone

      Personally and professionally, I have found that supplementing D3 to a blood level of 60-80 ng/ml, plus making sure there are sufficient cofactors for D3, plus a nutrient dense diet, rich in sea minerals, plus a long term approach = hormonal balance. This can take 6 months to a year for many women.

      Dr. John Lee has a great site with info on estrogen dominance. You can still be estrogen dominant with low Progesterone and low estrogen, by the way.
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      • Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
        Progestins only have specific receptors in the body. Progesterone is a precursor for all the sex hormones and is used in many ways in the body.

        If you want to balance your hormones, then Progesterone is a better choice, progestins are drugs to treat symptoms, but do not contribute to hormone balance in the long run.

        Here's the continuum as I understand it: Vitamin D3 > DHEA > Pregnenolone > Progesterone > Estrogens > Testosterone

        Personally and professionally, I have found that supplementing D3 to a blood level of 60-80 ng/ml, plus making sure there are sufficient cofactors for D3, plus a nutrient dense diet, rich in sea minerals, plus a long term approach = hormonal balance. This can take 6 months to a year for many women.

        Dr. John Lee has a great site with info on estrogen dominance. You can still be estrogen dominant with low Progesterone and low estrogen, by the way.
        <Sigh> I probably should have known, but what do you do when an endo prescribes you something? I guess I'll finish the treatment and see how I feel.

        Thanks for the info and the link! I see that Lee has a progesterone cream. Do you know if it's supposed to be good? I just ordered this one Natural Progesterone Oil | Progest E Complex
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • No idea. I used Progest before My D3 supplementation kicked in. Cheap on Amazon.
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          • Fennugreek extract will make a pretty decent increase in breast size too, it takes about 3 months for the full effect though. I grew enough to buy new bras

            Dragonfly: that hormone flow looks a bit off to me...
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            • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
              Fennugreek extract will make a pretty decent increase in breast size too, it takes about 3 months for the full effect though. I grew enough to buy new bras
              I did hear that before! With high Oestrogen I'm not sure if I should take something like that though. From what I'm reading, I think it may increase oestrogen?
              Fenugreek contains phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens bind to oestrogen receptors and mimic the actions of natural oestrogen. In menopause the body’s oestrogen levels reduce significantly and this is responsible for most of the symptoms associated with menopause. However, clinical trials are less conclusive. Phytoestrogens have the ability to act both as an oestrogen type compound and as an antioestrogen.
              And this (English please? lol)
              Fenugreek is a plant from Fabeaceae family which is used for many medical plans. This study
              was conducted to study the effect of fenugreek seed’s extract on reproductive system of female
              Balb/C mice .To this, mice’s were divided in five groups: control, placebo, and three experimental
              groups. Each group had ten mice which their estrous cycles were synchronized for starting
              the study. Control group did not receive any drug. Placebo group received normal saline, and
              experimental groups were injected in peritoneum by 50,100, and 200 mg/kg extract every day
              until 20 days. After finishing injection, blood samples were taken. Hormone measuring (including
              FSH, LH, estradiol, and progesterone) was done using one way variance analysis of SPSS
              program at 95% probability level. Ovary slides were prepared and were studied using optical
              microscope. Obtained results, showed significant reduction in FSH, and LH levels and also significant
              increase in stradiol level in all experimental groups, but progesterone level was increased
              only in second experimental group. Histology results of ovary showed significant reduction in
              folliculogenesis of all three experimental groups. Also, increase in number of corpus luteum was
              highly significant. Furthermore, destruction of ovary tissues was observed in second experimental
              group. According to results, the extract of fenugreek seed stopped folliculogenesis trend and
              destroyed ovary tissue which shows its anti fertility effect in female mice.
              http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/39932...es_in_mice.pdf
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                <Sigh> I probably should have known, but what do you do when an endo prescribes you something? I guess I'll finish the treatment and see how I feel.

                Thanks for the info and the link! I see that Lee has a progesterone cream. Do you know if it's supposed to be good? I just ordered this one Natural Progesterone Oil | Progest E Complex
                I usually take the prescription home but it never makes it to the pharmacy! haha

                I've learned to always research anything a doc prescribes. I usually see if there is a natural alternative.

                Progest-e is next on my "to buy" list.

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                • Hey PaleoMom, which brand of fenugreek extract did you use? Fenugreek was what I took in my youth when I was trying to get my breasts to grow. I didn't use an extract though, just capsules. I bought a gazillion bottles and took them by the handful. Did some other stuff as well--there was some kind of oil that I rubbed on my breasts, can't remember what though. Sweet almond oil, maybe. Some people in the forums were taking estradiol, but I didn't try that. Anyway, nothing worked, haha!

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                  • Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-CHANGES

                    Since starting this latest course of Duphaston, there've been unexpected changes.

                    Firstly, my diet.

                    All I want to eat is fruit and cottage cheese. It's so strange. I've basically shifted to a Ray Peat diet, without even trying.

                    So far today I've eaten:

                    1 honeydew melon
                    125g (4.41oz) blueberries
                    200g (7.05oz) cherries
                    500g (17.64oz) low fat cottage cheese
                    1 small galia melon
                    250g (8.82oz) vanilla ice cream
                    125g (4.41oz) Gouda cheese
                    1 braeburn apple
                    16g Gelatine
                    3 coffees w/ milk
                    2 black teas
                    1 tea w/ milk and sugar
                    1 can coconut water

                    I ate more than usual today, probably because I was depleted after 24 hours of pooping. Actually, prior to this I've been weirdly satiated with no desire to eat meat... I'm guessing because of the gelatine, and the fact that fruit is such a pleasure food for me.

                    Secondly, my energy.

                    Apart from today, I've been bouncing off the walls. I'm enjoying exercising, and I'm making a point of staying on my feet as much as possible.

                    Thirdly, my attitude.

                    This is the biggest change. I had an epiphany the other day. I realised how I was still approaching my life with a victim mentality: like everything is a struggle, and that I feel half-dead from fighting to stay alive.

                    I suddenly understood that I could look at life as a challenge instead of a war; like a martial art / dance, instead of a battle. It's difficult to put into words, but there is an energy within me that I can harness at any time, and it gives me power, and grace.

                    It's interesting how all this coincided with a few drops of Vitex.

                    Last edited by YogaBare; 07-02-2013, 02:03 PM.
                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

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                    • Thats really great, yo! So interesting how a small shift in hormones can have such a profound effect. I know its still early but any changes with bloating, face flushing, temperature, etc?

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                      • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                        I suddenly understood that I could look at life as a challenge instead of a war; like a martial art / dance, instead of a battle.
                        Life is a huge Mega Grand Buffet! So many dishes to taste and try out, and so easy to go overboard, binge eat and be punished for our bottomless appetite afterwards...
                        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                        - Schopenhauer

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                        • So so so happy to hear that you're feeling so great, finally!

                          And for once we aren't experiencing the exact same things - I saw the word "gouda" and suddenly felt nauseous. hehe
                          Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                          • Originally posted by CiKi90
                            Hey paleomom! I'd love to hear more about this fennugreek extract.... lol
                            I took SolarRay brand fenugreek extract in capsule for, the non extract one didn't work very well. I took 1 capsule 3 times a day and after about a month I started noticing a difference. I was fuller and heavier and just larger overall, not like a huge change like I'd had implants or something but very noticable to the hubby's hands and eyes. It took at least 3 months to fully develop and perhaps 6 for the absolute max growth. I took it for a year and then stopped, there was some reduction when I quit but perhaps only a 25% reduction in what was gained. I searched a ton and couldn't find any negatives for taking it and it is quite cheap, about $7 a month.
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                            • YB, I just saw the estrogen post relating to the fenugreek, that is interesting and a bit of a bummer. That is the first thing I've read against fenugreek. I didn't notice and increase or decrease of other problems when I took it but that doesn't me it wasn't doing something. I wasn't feeling awesome during that period anyway, so minor setbacks balance out with minor gains and I wouldn't notice small hormone changes. Overall though I would say that my breast growth was the only thing I noticed it doing, I had hoped it might help with muscle growth, but nothing happened there.
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                              • Originally posted by CiKi90
                                Paleomom, which estrogen post are you referring to? I'm one supplement shop trip away from snagging some fenugreek extract! Lol. I don't want to sabotage myself!
                                Top of previous page - I wrote it.

                                Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                                YB, I just saw the estrogen post relating to the fenugreek, that is interesting and a bit of a bummer. That is the first thing I've read against fenugreek. I didn't notice and increase or decrease of other problems when I took it but that doesn't me it wasn't doing something. I wasn't feeling awesome during that period anyway, so minor setbacks balance out with minor gains and I wouldn't notice small hormone changes. Overall though I would say that my breast growth was the only thing I noticed it doing, I had hoped it might help with muscle growth, but nothing happened there.
                                Yeah, I've learnt to research how any of these supplements affect the hormones as you just don't know... I can't remember - is your oestrogen high?
                                Last edited by YogaBare; 07-03-2013, 12:30 AM.
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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