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  • Originally posted by marcadav View Post
    May I ask why you are considering taking a T3 med?
    Oh, you must think I'm nuts. Well, I'm at the point where I'm really frustrated and annoyed with the fact that I've been unable to lose weight for almost a year now. I have reasons to suspect my thyroid, and after reading some of Ray Peat's articles and (gasp) some of the threads over at peatarian forums, where taking thyroid hormones is fairly common, I've decided to give it a shot. I have a history of self-medication so this is really just another thing for me to try. I can't get a prescription from a doctor because my TSH isn't high enough yet (2.33 as opposed to > 3.0), and, in any case, doctors are mostly idiots and are only good for handing out prescriptions. It's just hard with thyroid meds because they base their diagnosis entirely on blood tests. With most things, I usually diagnose myself, then go to the doctor and convince them that I have whatever it is I think I have and just get a script for whatever meds I want. Much cheaper and time efficient to just cut out the doc, heh.

    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post

    It specifically says that one of the side effects of Duphaston is breast growth! So I don't know if that's the progesterone, or the combination of drugs in the tablets or what...
    Probably the best side effect in the world of side effects! Far better than depression, thoughts of suicide, or death.

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    • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
      Working my upper body makes me feel more balanced. I've got wide shoulders anyway.
      Yeah, my upper frame is quite narrow, hence the battle (now over) to stay in "proportion". You seem have to a good attitude towards your body NW! I admire that.

      Originally posted by Zanna View Post
      I'm glad I'm not the only feeling lost here. I have no idea what my T3 or T4 numbers are or how to find out.
      You're lucky you don't know! If you knew it would mean that you have / had thyroid issues

      Originally posted by Graycat View Post
      Add me to that club. I've learned so much from these guys (read Zach, Yoga and Derpamix) but I'm not even scratching the surface when it comes to actually grasping the whole concepts when it comes to hormones and stuff. For me "eat more fructose, so T4 can convert to T3" is good enough.

      My layman understanding is that the thyroid hormone T4 converts to T3 in the liver and that conversion is essential for normally functioning thyroid and the process is aided by ingesting sufficient carbs - mainly by fructose.
      My own n=1 VLC for long time = severe hair loss. So, something was amiss there.

      Yoga, are you sure the increased measurements in the hips and belly were not only a temporary bloat? It's very difficult to be consistent with that tape too.
      I'm glad my public learning is helpful! And I'm rather flattered to be included with the sugar gurus

      To be fair, there are more than 50 hormones in the human body, and I bet the average person only knows four (testosterone, adrenaline, oestrogen, serotonin). So we're all ahead of CW anyway

      Unfortunately, no - it's definitely weight gain. Maybe you didn't see any of my posts around the place, but I gained weight on my last course of Duphaston, and gained more when I went on holidays eating fatty restaurant food every day. My bust didn't change did I started the second course of Duphaston.

      Weirdly though, on the scale I'm at my highest weight ever, but with the measuring tape my sizes are smaller than after "Eat a Ton". I seriously doubt I put on any muscle in the last few weeks (unless you build muscle sitting in a car for five hours a day? ) Maybe it's inflammation weight?

      Originally posted by diene View Post
      Oh, you must think I'm nuts. Well, I'm at the point where I'm really frustrated and annoyed with the fact that I've been unable to lose weight for almost a year now. I have reasons to suspect my thyroid, and after reading some of Ray Peat's articles and (gasp) some of the threads over at peatarian forums, where taking thyroid hormones is fairly common, I've decided to give it a shot.
      Have you ordered it Diene? And are you posting on RP?? My username there is Violet.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • I ordered the Cynomel. I got an email saying that it's going to take 3.5-4 weeks before I get it because of heightened U.S. border controls. Oh well!

        I haven't posted on RP, mostly just lurking. I'll say hi if I see you over there!

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        • Originally posted by diene View Post
          I ordered the Cynomel. I got an email saying that it's going to take 3.5-4 weeks before I get it because of heightened U.S. border controls. Oh well!

          I haven't posted on RP, mostly just lurking. I'll say hi if I see you over there!
          Good luck with it! Sorry, I can't remember - have you had your t4 or t3 checked?

          I've already made a few posts there... all about oestrogen and progesterone I'm a one trick pony.
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • I haven't had my free T4 and T3 tested. I keep not being able to decide which test to get so I ended up not getting any of them. I could get the free T3 & T4, which isn't that expensive, but I keep thinking that if I'm going to get another test it should be the complete thyroid panel, which includes reverse T3, and that's kinda expensive. And then there's Ray Peat who says that all these tests are stupid and that you should just focus on symptoms. (Peat, for example, thinks that the whole idea that only free T3 is biologically active is wrong because protein-bound T3 can enter the cell membrane.) Then I think that maybe I should get the food allergies test first (to see if I'm gluten-intolerant and need to stop drinking beer). And other times I just think that I should stop being such a hypochondriac.

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            • Originally posted by diene View Post
              I haven't had my free T4 and T3 tested. I keep not being able to decide which test to get so I ended up not getting any of them. I could get the free T3 & T4, which isn't that expensive, but I keep thinking that if I'm going to get another test it should be the complete thyroid panel, which includes reverse T3, and that's kinda expensive. And then there's Ray Peat who says that all these tests are stupid and that you should just focus on symptoms. (Peat, for example, thinks that the whole idea that only free T3 is biologically active is wrong because protein-bound T3 can enter the cell membrane.) Then I think that maybe I should get the food allergies test first (to see if I'm gluten-intolerant and need to stop drinking beer). And other times I just think that I should stop being such a hypochondriac.
              Well, knowledge is power, and knowing what your numbers are will tell you one way or the other if you're a hypochondriac Just get t4 and t3 done - the more involved panels are probably not necessarily unless you've got a full blown condition. You could just be borderline, like I am.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • Originally posted by Zanna View Post
                I'm glad I'm not the only feeling lost here. I have no idea what my T3 or T4 numbers are or how to find out.
                Most people never have T4 and T3 tests run and that is because they are not having any symptoms of a thyroid problem. If you do have symptoms or just want to learn more about the thyroid here is a great site:
                Thyroid 101, Basic Information and Index to Mary Shomon's About.com Thyroid Disease Website

                To find out what your numbers are you ask your doctor to run a blood test for them. Just be aware there are two types-- Total T4 and T3 and Free T4 and T3.

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                • Originally posted by diene View Post
                  Oh, you must think I'm nuts. Well, I'm at the point where I'm really frustrated and annoyed with the fact that I've been unable to lose weight for almost a year now. I have reasons to suspect my thyroid, and after reading some of Ray Peat's articles and (gasp) some of the threads over at peatarian forums, where taking thyroid hormones is fairly common, I've decided to give it a shot. I have a history of self-medication so this is really just another thing for me to try. I can't get a prescription from a doctor because my TSH isn't high enough yet (2.33 as opposed to > 3.0), and, in any case, doctors are mostly idiots and are only good for handing out prescriptions. It's just hard with thyroid meds because they base their diagnosis entirely on blood tests. With most things, I usually diagnose myself, then go to the doctor and convince them that I have whatever it is I think I have and just get a script for whatever meds I want. Much cheaper and time efficient to just cut out the doc, heh.
                  I don't think your nuts. I just know what life is like with wacky thyroid hormones and would never want to complicate my thyroid function with experimentation, especially if the issues can be resolved without hormone replacement.. But that's just me.

                  You can get blood tests without going to the doctor. Getting Free T4 and Free T3 would, IMO, give you a clearer picture of whether taking T3 is warranted.
                  Thyroid Panel II: T4 Free, T3 Free with TSH | Thyroid Lab Test They used to give a discount with the code 12345. I don't know if they still do.

                  Also anemia, especially low ferritin, can cause hair loss. I would also make sure I was doing everything possible to improve thyroid function/hormone conversion naturally:
                  1. Optimal vitamin D levels
                  2. Optimal ferritin levels
                  3. Adequate selenium 200mcg/day
                  4. Not too low carb or calories
                  5. Not too much stress--including overtraning
                  6. Good liver function

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                  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    Well, knowledge is power, and knowing what your numbers are will tell you one way or the other if you're a hypochondriac Just get t4 and t3 done - the more involved panels are probably not necessarily unless you've got a full blown condition. You could just be borderline, like I am.
                    You're right. Okay, I'll get the free T4 and T3 test.

                    Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                    I don't think your nuts. I just know what life is like with wacky thyroid hormones and would never want to complicate my thyroid function with experimentation, especially if the issues can be resolved without hormone replacement.. But that's just me.

                    You can get blood tests without going to the doctor. Getting Free T4 and Free T3 would, IMO, give you a clearer picture of whether taking T3 is warranted.
                    Thyroid Panel II: T4 Free, T3 Free with TSH | Thyroid Lab Test They used to give a discount with the code 12345. I don't know if they still do.

                    Also anemia, especially low ferritin, can cause hair loss. I would also make sure I was doing everything possible to improve thyroid function/hormone conversion naturally:
                    1. Optimal vitamin D levels
                    2. Optimal ferritin levels
                    3. Adequate selenium 200mcg/day
                    4. Not too low carb or calories
                    5. Not too much stress--including overtraning
                    6. Good liver function
                    Hey, thanks for the link. I usually get my tests from Direct Labs, and they have one that's just T4 and T3 and is slightly cheaper (by $10) than the one you linked to.

                    I've tried to improve the above things. I supplement with vitamin D and selenium. I've never had my ferritin levels tested, but I'm not anemic. Carbs and calories are okay now. The stress thing is kinda beyond my control. But I recently started taking rhodiola to lower my cortisol levels, and i think it actually works. I had all my liver enzymes tested, and everything came back normal (if you believe the lab ranges, which I don't necessarily). A few enzymes were on the high end of normal, but everything I looked up said that intense exercise could cause those enzymes to be elevated so I just assumed that that was the reason. Either that or the alcohol, but I don't actually think that I drink enough for it to impact my liver function.

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                    • Originally posted by diene View Post
                      You're right. Okay, I'll get the free T4 and T3 test.



                      Hey, thanks for the link. I usually get my tests from Direct Labs, and they have one that's just T4 and T3 and is slightly cheaper (by $10) than the one you linked to.

                      I've tried to improve the above things. I supplement with vitamin D and selenium. I've never had my ferritin levels tested, but I'm not anemic. Carbs and calories are okay now. The stress thing is kinda beyond my control. But I recently started taking rhodiola to lower my cortisol levels, and i think it actually works. I had all my liver enzymes tested, and everything came back normal (if you believe the lab ranges, which I don't necessarily). A few enzymes were on the high end of normal, but everything I looked up said that intense exercise could cause those enzymes to be elevated so I just assumed that that was the reason. Either that or the alcohol, but I don't actually think that I drink enough for it to impact my liver function.
                      Ferritin can be very low for a long time before anemia shows up on blood tests like hemoglobin and hematocrit. Ferritin helps T4 to T3 conversion.

                      Stress and excessive exercising can also inhibit conversion.

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                      • I'm a dumb ass

                        I was all set to make a nice, positive post today and then - idiocy strikes I stupidly ate a mango this morning that was... ummm.... well passed its sell-by date.!

                        I felt a little funny afterwards but ignored it. Then I noticed I had the shakes, but I attributed it to the coffee... even though I never get the shakes after drinking coffee! After the gym I had lunch, and suddenly my stomach swelled up like a basket ball and "the runs" began. They got worse as the day went on, I started getting the chills, and then when I was doing my grocery shopping I got dizzy and started shaking all over. I came home and had to lie down for a few hours. All because of a rotten mango (and my own retardedness) :P At least I didn't feel any pain, but my stomach is still making crazy noises, and the toilet trips haven't stopped. Ugh!

                        It's weird: last month I was on a really good roll, and I got food poisoning, which totally knocked me off kilter. This month I've been on a really good role, and suddenly I get the shits.

                        Do you ever think that when things are going well, and suddenly you mess it up, that you are subconsciously self-sabotaging, because you're afraid of getting what you want / being happy / change?

                        In the past I would binge and purge as soon as I started getting to where I wanted to be. Almost seems like the patterns of my past are still an influence.
                        Last edited by YogaBare; 07-01-2013, 02:31 PM.
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • Oh no! Sorry about your food misadventures! But I wonder if it's really the mango--not sure if it would make you sick so quickly. I mean, it couldn't have been that spoiled if you ate it? Maybe it's something else that you ate yesterday or the day before? it could also be a bug that you caught from another person.

                          I don't know if *you* messed up. It may or may not have been the mango. You could have caught a bug from someone, and it would not have been your fault.

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                          • I'm not saying you sabotaged yourself with the mango (I agree that it could have been something else, unless there were maggots living inside of it or something) but to answer your question, I think there are many reasons we may keep ourselves from getting better: believing we don't deserve it, wanting to hold onto our identity as a "sick" person, wanting to test the limits of how much we can really endure. I could go on.

                            Anyway, I'm sorry about your tummy troubles and I hope you feel better real real soon <3
                            Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                            • Duphaston

                              I'm having very heavy spotting with this latest course of Duphaston. It prompted me to do some more research into the drug. Keeping it here for my records, and to add to if I learn more.

                              Duphaston is the brand name for the synthetic hormone dydrogesterone, which is similar to the hormone progesterone. A woman's body produces progesterone during her menstrual cycle so she develops a healthy womb lining. When a fertilised egg fails to attach to the womb lining, progesterone levels in the body decrease and the lining sheds. Because dydrogesterone is similar to progesterone, doctors often prescribe it to women suffering from certain menstruation problems.

                              Duphaston is a progesterone given in infertility. It is common for intermittent spotting if breakthrough occurs during the course of hormonal treatment. duphaston helps you to regularise your periods by causing withdrawl bleeding .
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • Yikes! Why are you taking a progestin? Natural Progesterone cream would be a much better choice, IMO.

                                Sorry, I don't follow your thread, YB, just pop in from time to time, so I haven't read your reasons...
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