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  • #61
    I agree, ditch the supps.

    Good points, sometimes i forget how emotionally driven some people are.

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    • #62
      shh...
      I often wonder if MDA doesn't also add fuel to the eating obsession fire. I just try to take everything with a pinch of (pink Himalayan) salt these days. Sometimes it works, other times not. There is no food Jesus.
      I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
        shh...
        I often wonder if MDA doesn't also add fuel to the eating obsession fire. I just try to take everything with a pinch of (pink Himalayan) salt these days. Sometimes it works, other times not. There is no food Jesus.
        Ha I love it when a newbie comes to the forum and asks an innocent question, only to be confounded by a raging war between anonymous avatars.! Just reminds me of religious divides. Anyway, as I always say, I've given up trying to know the "answers". I've been wrong too many times...

        Better just to keep an open mind and do what you can to avoid keeling over. Oh yeah, and be happy

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        Last edited by YogaBare; 03-28-2013, 04:29 PM.
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Zach View Post
          sometimes i forget how emotionally driven some people are.
          Ha... I have a theory or two on that
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • #65
            E.M.T.W.L

            Entry Thirteen: Lucky You


            Originally I thought I'd only stick with this for two weeks because I wouldn't be able to cope with the
            "insidious weight gain"
            - Mark Sisson
            I recognise now that two weeks is not long enough to change the habits of a lifetime. I have to keep going.

            Sleep:
            Pretty good. Slept 11.30pm to 6.30am. Woke up from hunger.

            Temperature:
            Couldn't be bothered... I'm freezing all the time so I doubt my body temp has improved yet.

            Food:
            Oh, I was a hungry bear...

            CALS |FAT | CARBS | PROT
            Totals |3880 | 186.5 | 314.7| 244.7

            Pork, cooked 400 grams
            1083 68 0 109
            Nixe Salmon, canned 140 grams
            182 8 0 29
            Tomatoes, raw 3.5 large whole (3" dia)
            115 1 25 6
            Coconut milk (brand: cocofresh) 150 grams
            120 9 2 1
            White potato 1.5 medium (2-1/4" to 3" dia, raw)
            260 6 49 4
            Milk, whole 1 cup
            146 8 11 8
            Banana, raw 2 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long)
            210 1 54 3
            Sugar, raw 3 teaspoon
            46 0 12 0
            Honey 2 tablespoon
            128 0 35 0
            Beef steak, fried 200 grams
            575 35 0 61
            Shrimp, cooked 2 large shrimp (shelled)
            17 0 0 3
            Eggplant dip 1 cup
            389 31 26 10
            Beets, cooked 4 slice
            22 1 3 1
            White potato, mashed 2.5 cup
            525 19 83 9
            Orange, raw 1 medium (2-5/8" dia)
            62 0 15 1

            Today was another hungry day. As usual, when I'm hungry, I start to doubt if I'm doing the right thing. After all, I used to get hungry days whether I was skinny or slim - and those would be the days I'd binge. How can I be sure that feeding this hunger is the right thing to do? Well, I started a hunger thread to see if anyone knew what hunger really was.

            They don't. So I guess I'll keep eating

            In other news:
            I caved and went to the dentist with my mum today. As I said a few pages back, she's always making "helpful" suggestions to me about how I could look better, and the most recent one was that I should get my front tooth fixed (I broke it years ago during one of my drunken escapades). Anyway, she's probably right, so she came with me for a consultation with this "Wonder Dentist" who happens to do orthodontic treatments, plus a plethora of beauty treatments including... Botox.

            So, after my tooth consultation (I'm getting a veneer), I decided to ask her about umm... getting rid of the wrinkles around my eyes. My poor mum was horrified, and even the dentist (who's probably my age) was a bit surprised. They both told me that the lines around my eyes are not bad at all (the dentist said they were "cute"), and I don't need a procedure like that.

            So we're back to the body dysmorphia thing! But I can't accept it - I think that she (the dentist) is just being nice.

            And at the end of the day:
            I've decided to extend my stay at my parent's house. The house is warm, I don't have to buy food (this is an expensive habit...), and I'm getting on great with my parents. It's helpful for "the love thing". Plus there's something very therapeutic about spending time with them. When I observe their behaviour I can see where I got certain traits, and how I am repeating their patterns.

            Irrespective of whether I turn into a blimp by the end of this (looking likely...), I will have gotten my weight in insight.
            Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 02:56 AM.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #66
              Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
              Ha... I have a theory or two on that
              Lets hear it.

              Awesome that your sleep is improving!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Lets hear it.
                It's long...!

                But basically, everything and everyone is / are driven by emotions. Not everyone realises it. As a very rudimentary summary, my observation is that people who really feel and identify with their emotions are more prone to depression and addictions, those who repress their emotions get sick (seriously - Type C personalities are the most likely to get cancer), those who project their emotions live their lives looking down on others.

                Very basic outline!
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  It's long...!

                  But basically, everything and everyone is / are driven by emotions. Not everyone realises it. As a very rudimentary summary, my observation is that people who really feel and identify with their emotions are more prone to depression and addictions, those who repress their emotions get sick (seriously - Type C personalities are the most likely to get cancer), those who project their emotions live their lives looking down on others.

                  Very basic outline!
                  Interesting. Not sure I can identify, but would like to hear more!
                  I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    It's long...!

                    But basically, everything and everyone is / are driven by emotions. Not everyone realises it. As a very rudimentary summary, my observation is that people who really feel and identify with their emotions are more prone to depression and addictions, those who repress their emotions get sick (seriously - Type C personalities are the most likely to get cancer), those who project their emotions live their lives looking down on others.

                    Very basic outline!
                    What about the people (me) who think excessive emotion is just silly and one should think logically? . I also dont miss people and love being alone... Hahaha.

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                    • #70
                      Sorry Zach - if you're alive, you have emotions!

                      That's a common response though, particularly from men who were encouraged from a young age to be "manly" (or for women who wanted to win their father's approval).

                      I do believe that most people have similar strength emotions but that some people are "receivers" and some people are "dumpers". I'll give you an example: A boss, who is totally rational, conducts his business. In his coldness he constantly upsets people around him. He doesn't understand why all the women he meets seem to be so totally unhinged. How can it be everyone else and not him? He's not admitting to certain feelings / traits within him, and he ends up inciting those feelings in others. In psychology it's called Transference. Carl Jung called it the shadow.

                      I love being alone too! But I think life's not life unless it's a bit of both - alone, and with people, the head and the heart? Being alone is for thinking: but it's only when we're with people that we can really love.

                      EDIT: You might find this article interesting. It's about the electrochemistry of emotions: http://www.6seconds.org/2007/01/26/t...-feeling-good/
                      Last edited by YogaBare; 03-30-2013, 04:23 AM.
                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
                        Interesting. Not sure I can identify, but would like to hear more!
                        See above
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                          See above
                          I'm not sure we're disagreeing, more a change of emphasis, but in my experience it is those people who feel, but don't want to, who develop compensating behaviours - and addictions would be one in a range of +ve&-ve coping mechanisms.
                          I like badgers, books and booze, more or less in that order.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by badgergirl View Post
                            I'm not sure we're disagreeing, more a change of emphasis, but in my experience it is those people who feel, but don't want to, who develop compensating behaviours - and addictions would be one in a range of +ve&-ve coping mechanisms.
                            I totally agree. Often they're trying to repress them, but they are more given to internalisation and self reflection, so the focus is always on the inner states. Hence turning to external habits to bring their focus out of themselves. People who are successful at repressing, or projecting, tend to be more outwardly focused: either through interests, or socially.

                            And it's not that "emotional people" necessarily experience a wide range of emotions: they are still trying to repress but the repression is only partially successful, and so instead they distil specific emotions into one large mood. This mood becomes overwhelming.

                            For example: I've got massive issues with anger. I rarely feel it. Along with a plethora of other emotions I'm pretty sure I suppress it, and the amalgamation of these feelings is overwhelming, crippling depression.

                            Somewhere along the way I told myself anger was bad, but depression was okay, so that's my default setting.

                            I think people who are in touch with their emotions are healthy, functioning human beings. If you look at animals, they completely give in to their emotions at any time. It's natural!
                            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                            - Ray Peat

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                            • #74
                              E.M.T.W.L

                              Entry Fourteen: X


                              I didn't write last night for two reasons:

                              1) Yesterday was a bad day, and I didn't want to relive it.
                              2) I was busy arguing about atheism on the nutrition forum (as you do), and I didn't want to sandwich my open-hearted journal between posts where people were probably judging and making assumptions about my character. It felt too vulnerable.

                              Particularly because I wrote a stupid poem yesterday and was going to start the entry with that, ha So here it is.

                              How can it be right when it feels so wrong?
                              This fat girl jumping to a fit man's song.
                              Wading through the vapours of the ghosts she has within,
                              Eating to excess when she wants to be thin.

                              Flesh is feeling, flowing -
                              Pouring through her shape.
                              Eyes the size of stomachs,
                              How much can linings take?

                              How long before she breaks?


                              Another difficult day, shall we say.

                              Sleep:
                              Slept 12.00am to 6.00am. It's amazing that I'm consistently getting 6 hours atm, but it didn't feel long enough: I woke up tired.

                              Food:

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                              Today was a bad day: not because I ate more than I wanted, but because I thought of food obsessively.

                              And at the end of the day:
                              I caved and weighed myself today - I'm up 6 lbs since I started this two weeks ago. And I'm pretty sure it's fat, not muscle, because I'm growing exponentially in all directions.

                              This is pointless. I'm not noticing any physical benefits. My BM seemed to right themselves briefly, but over the last five days my digestion has gone A-wall. I'm barely 'going', and I have really bad wind (sorry reader, know that's TMI! I've resisted til now but I need it for the records). My nails are breaking, I don't want to exercise, I smell different, even my hair looks dull. All that's happening is that I'm getting fatter.

                              I guess it might be time to share something. There's only one other time in my life that I've ever weighed this, and for the last five years I've lived in fear that I would be this weight again. I was 27, still living a very hedonistic life in Ireland. I got into a lot of intensely sexual relationships which usually didn't last more than a few months, and ended badly. I was drinking a lot, partying a lot, taking a lot of drugs. I was in a job where I was making more money that I knew what to do with, but it was really stressful, and I hated the work. I didn't want to live in Ireland. I was binging a lot. I was about to snap.

                              Funny how it takes the lowest ebb to turn the tide.

                              I was at a party one night, and I fell asleep. I woke up and one of my male friends: a good friend, was lying beside me. He was awake. His fingers were inside me. I froze. I knew what was happening. But I didn't know what to do. I don't know how long he was doing it for, but when he started to climb on top of me and I realised his dick was out I knew I had to do something. But I was still frozen.

                              And then he was on top of me, but all i could manage to do was keep my eyes close and move slightly, to imply I was waking up. He froze. I moved a little more, he instantly dived beside me and pretended to be asleep. I waited a few minutes, then I tore out of the house.

                              After that I completely went off the rails. I binged every night and every day, I stopped seeing my friends, I barely made it into work. I gained a lot of weight.

                              After about two months I quit my job, moved out of my house, and went to India, where I lost the weight. I confronted my "friend", but didn't press charges.

                              That weight was a physical marker for me that I was completely out of control of my habits, my life, and that even the boundaries of my body were not my own. I thought that if I was ever that weight again (16 lbs more than my "happy" weight) it would mean that I was back at that place of betrayal, guilt, anger, helplessness, and shame that I wasn't strong enough to stop it.

                              Yesterday I realised I am that size again.

                              I know logically I'm not back where I was, but I wonder if it's just the same shit, different context?

                              I associate my weight with who I am and how successfully I am shaping my life. Since Christmas I don't feel like I'm shaping anything: everything is an exercise in futility, because I never change: I just shift in degrees. Sometimes 5 degrees, sometimes 180. I want to have some kind of control over my life, I want to want things and for them to happen... but they rarely do, because I can't get control over my inner demons.

                              I believe a person makes their own luck, and I'm tired of stopping myself from being all that I am, and fulfilling my potential.

                              At least, at the age of 31, I finally have a rack
                              Last edited by YogaBare; 04-13-2013, 02:56 AM.
                              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                              - Ray Peat

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                              • #75
                                "Apart from Love, everything passes away.
                                The way to heaven is in your heart."
                                - Rumi

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                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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