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  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
    Oh, I thought it had to do with digestion maybe.

    What about the correlation between junk food and depression?
    that too
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    • Originally posted by Zach View Post
      Its definitally about breaking the chain but i also agree with Matt Stone that some peoples guts are so messed up that they cant actually digest "healthy" food because it is usually fibrous or tough or just unprocessed. I dont know about you but veggies, unripe fruit and some meats can give me trouble but i have never once had a problem digesting ice cream or a burger. Plus the fact that they are packed with calories can help when one is eating nothing but meat and veg.

      Of course no one should eat like this forever. I also think that there is junk food and there is food that is not fit for human consumption. A pizza from a decent restaurant would be junk food, taco bells dorito supreme would be food not fit for humans.
      Okay I getcha. I think when I did it I was eating food not fit for human consumption. I lived on cookies and bad quality chocolate. It was very liberating and broke my addiction to junk food, but mood-wise it nearly sent me to a sugary grave...
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
        that too
        My new avatar:


        (friends of mine have started "The Paleo Diet" and I'm getting increasingly paranoid they'll unearth me!)
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          Okay I getcha. I think when I did it I was eating food not fit for human consumption. I lived on cookies and bad quality chocolate. It was very liberating and broke my addiction to junk food, but mood-wise it nearly sent me to a sugary grave...
          I ate 1518g of sugar in a day and lived, there is no sugary grave, merely limbo.
          I'll recant my experience here in this journal:

          It was a very frightening experience I began to slip. I just started to feel myself going, and I remember trying to hold on “'I'll be ok, I'll be ok” and it got to a point where I just couldn't.
          And everything began to just become very quiet and I can remember with every ounce of strength I had, I wanted to say goodbye to my wife. It was important to me.
          And I did, I remember just turning my head and looking at her and saying: “I'm gonna die” “Goodbye Joan”, and I did…
          It was then that I experienced.. experienced what we call a near death experience, for me it was nothing near about it, it was there.
          It was a total immersion in light, brightness, warmth, peace, security
          I did not have an out-of-body-experience, I did not see my body or any one about me… I just immediately went into this beautiful bright light.
          It's difficult to describe, as a matter of fact is impossible to describe, verbally it cannot be expressed, it’s something which becomes you and you become it.
          I could say that I was peace, I was love, I was the brightness, it was part of me.
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          • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
            I ate 1518g of sugar in a day and lived, there is no sugary grave, merely limbo.
            I'll recant my experience here in this journal:

            It was a very frightening experience I began to slip. I just started to feel myself going, and I remember trying to hold on “'I'll be ok, I'll be ok” and it got to a point where I just couldn't.
            And everything began to just become very quiet and I can remember with every ounce of strength I had, I wanted to say goodbye to my wife. It was important to me.
            And I did, I remember just turning my head and looking at her and saying: “I'm gonna die” “Goodbye Joan”, and I did…
            It was then that I experienced.. experienced what we call a near death experience, for me it was nothing near about it, it was there.
            It was a total immersion in light, brightness, warmth, peace, security
            I did not have an out-of-body-experience, I did not see my body or any one about me… I just immediately went into this beautiful bright light.
            It's difficult to describe, as a matter of fact is impossible to describe, verbally it cannot be expressed, it’s something which becomes you and you become it.
            I could say that I was peace, I was love, I was the brightness, it was part of me.
            Bahahaha!

            Okay. I'll just repeat (more explicitly) that when I when I eat junk it exasperates my depressive tendencies. I eat a few pieces of chocolate now and again, but the memories of that month long frenzy are enough to dissuade me from ever eating cookies again.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • And for a moment I thought you were an artist...

              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • best band in the world

                and maybe you just haven't met the right cookie. that special cookie that will sweep you off your feet and make you forget all the bad cookies you've had in life. the cookie you'll want to spend the rest of your life with from the moment you sink your teeth in to it. that one cookie that offers warmth, gooeyness, comfort, a friend, a shoulder to cry on, a lover

                once you find that one cookie, you'll never return to eating meat and veggies again

                Last edited by Derpamix; 04-20-2013, 11:49 PM.
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                • That might be relevant, if I actually ate "meat and veggies"
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    That might be relevant, if I actually ate "meat and veggies"
                    No need to get angry, I don't discriminate against plant matter Cookie Monster has fruit there
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                    • And look where he is now...

                      Cookie Monster coulda BEEN somebody!

                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • That's not cookie monster's fault, it's the big bird controlled government poisoning him and feeding his addiction
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                        • I blame the parents: if they hadn't put him on the Paleo diet as a kid he never would have had this problem...
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • I missed a party!



                            @Zach... and Derp... and YB... everyone. @Everyone.

                            I just took a look at the Ray Peat diet, but I will read up on him and his articles more soon. I really don't know anything about him. I recently tried doing a dairy re-introduction to see if I could handle it and had splitting headaches that I haven't known for a couple of years start up on day two. I told myself it was the weather, it was psychosomatic, etc. and then puss filled cysts started showing up on my thighs so I quit it. And they haven't been back. Nor the headaches. So I'm definitely not drinking milk. I ate an orange a couple of weeks ago because I thought, hey, look, oranges! I love oranges! I haven't eat an orange in months! Of course I can eat an orange! I looked like I was going to give birth any minute after eating it. So a glass of orange juice would be interesting. I love fruit, but I don't have time to spend the rest of my day doubled over in pain in the bathroom after eating an apple. Funny enough I'm about to get my period so I've been a sugar monster for the past few days: basically drinking straight out of a jar of honey and I could barely button my jeans today (and I feel like I'm about to vomit). I'm not discounting his theories, but just from my own experience I'd be wary to implement it.

                            As for the junk food thing, all I do know is that I've never been a junk food person. I actually just got back from a friend's birthday party where they were all eating cake and smell almost made me gag. As a child I would eat leftover salmon for dessert while everyone else ate ice cream. I never liked candy (except for chocolate), could take or leave chips (I would give my cheetos to friends at school and keep whatever meat / fruit I had for myself). I was roughly getting by this way, other than the debilitating headaches and depression (not important, right?), until my freshman year of college. This was when my health problems started staring me in the face. And what was I eating? Pasta, cookies, cake, pizza: I diet 180 from what I had grown up on. I was more bloated than ever, I could barely hold a thought for more than a minute (eh, this is still the case), and for the first time in my life I actually craved this stuff. I wanted ice cream and pizza all the time! I was happier, but I think it's just because I hated high school. So to me, personally, it just doesn't seem intuitive. It would never have been a way I'd naturally choose to eat if I had my choice of anything in the world. Do I like cookies? Hell yes. Do I like cheeseburgers? Make it a triple. But at the end of the day I'd always choose a steak and roasted cauliflower. It's how I've always been. I know this diet would only be temporary, but I feel sick even thinking about it.

                            And anyway I don't even know if I'm hypothyroid. But I get it. The power of the psyche is stronger than anything else, so I believe in why this would work. But it brings up a lot of questions about the state most people are in: why is everyone so sick and obese when most of them clearly have been eating whatever they want? Other health issues that need to be addressed? Or because of junk food vs. not fit for human consumption?

                            YB - I will go back to eating more rice. I really like it and not eating it isn't having its own benefits so fuck it. I actually picked up a package of rice cakes at the store today, something I haven't done in a year because it's "not paleo". For the love of-

                            Edit: Zach, it depends on what kind of fiber you're talking about. I barely eat any insoluble fiber. 99% of my diet is meat and the fleshy part of sweet potatoes and ripe bananas. I eat maybe less than 1/4 cup of well cooked spinach a day or a handful of well cooked green beans. Anything else I eat is sparing and not daily.
                            Last edited by ombat; 04-21-2013, 02:02 AM.
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                            • You do understand that from your own description you are a very sick individual, right? Puss boils and migraines from milk is not normal even for someone with an allergy. Severe bloating from a single orange? I dont know what to tell you if on one hand it sounds like what your doing is absolutely not working but on the other you are defending your way of eating.

                              How do you see yourself getting out of this?

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                              • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                                You do understand that from your own description you are a very sick individual, right? Puss boils and migraines from milk is not normal even for someone with an allergy. Severe bloating from a single orange? I dont know what to tell you if on one hand it sounds like what your doing is absolutely not working but on the other you are defending your way of eating.

                                How do you see yourself getting out of this?
                                Yes, I am painfully aware of the fact that I am very sick. Possibly in more ways than one at this point.

                                I don't mean to come across as though I'm defending how I'm eating. It's very obviously not working if I can't reintroduce simple foods like oranges, but it's the best I've got so far and the one that's minimized my symptoms the most. What I was trying to get at is the question of how I would implement Peat's diet if a lot of the foods he recommends make me feel even worse. Or how I would eat junk food if in the past it has made me feel even worse. I know I'm stuck. I'm going nowhere really fast and I have no idea how to get myself out of it. Doctor after doctor after test after treatment and at this point it's not really a question of how I see myself getting out of it but if I see myself getting out of it at all.

                                I'm anything but stubborn. I've tried everything I've ever come across. Do you think I should try the Peat diet and suffer through the symptoms for a while to see if it gets better? And if so, for how long? I really appreciate all of your advice.
                                Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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